Cost of attendance

[ShockTalk]

Group of Five and other non-football playing Division I conferences can opt to enact the proposals passed Saturday as early as next fall.

This sounds like conferences like the Big East, A-10, and WAC can opt in, conferences like MWC, AAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt cannot. The article also does not make any distinction between D-I A and D-I AA. Not sure where the Valley would fit in as their "football" is not a conference sport. Does anyone know the actual wording and is it different?

The group of five refers to the non power 5 FBS conferences. So the MWC, CUSA and AAC are all free to adopt the new measures. It's confusing, but this is how "group of five" has been used in the media.

What's interesting is that this makes it sound like conferences that sponsor D1 basketball, but sponsor football at the FCS level or below are not allowed to adopt the new stipend. Which would affect more than half of D1 basketball teams. This is gonna be interesting.

The wording is confusing. It should say all non P5 conferences can opt to enact the stipend as early as next fall. Whether a conference plays I-A or I-AA football has nothing to do with it.

This, RMS. The wording, as used in the article, excludes all D-I conferences that play football and are not part of the Group of Five. If all D-I conferences could "opt in", the wording should be simple.

I.E.: Group of Five will be doing this and all other D-I conferences can opt in.

[SHOCKvalue]

The article references that the new benefit is estimated at $2,000-$4,000 per student, per year. How many scholly athletes does WSU have? The number 125 seems like approximately the number I recall. So worst case - tentatively and by rough estimation - that is an additional burden of $600,000 per year, for a school that has an annual AD budget of $23M. Even for the other MVC poor sisters that is still a long ways from being an insurmountable additional cost, I sure wouldn't think. Doesn't seem like a huge deal at all to WSU, or other well-funded, non-football D1 schools. I don't understand all the fuss.

[1972Shocker]

I assume walk-ons would not be eligible to receive a stipend. I wonder how that will apply to equivalency sports where scholarships are parceled out in pieces.

For example, will baseball which has 11.7 scholarships to split up also have 11.7 stipends to split up? Will they have to split up the stipends in the same proportion that they split-up the scholarships? Or will any athlete that receives even a partial scholarship qualify for a full stipend?

[Ta town]

I started this not to "fuss"

I asked the question...Will the Valley allow it or will WSU need to move on to another league? I don't think WSU will not want to pay. I do think it will be a tricky subject in the Valley though.

[SHOCKvalue]

I started this not to "fuss"

I wasn't really singling you out, or even referring to you really. Overall, this generally seems like a "fussy" issue for non-P5 fans.

My take is that this development will separate the D1 low majors from the D1 mid and high majors.

[Steeleshocker]

I started this not to "fuss"

I asked the question...Will the Valley allow it or will WSU need to move on to another league? I don't think WSU will not want to pay. I do think it will be a tricky subject in the Valley though.

The valley will allow it, we keep the conference in the national spotlight for the time being. If we want to pay money to continue competing with the top teams in the nation, then the conference will let us.

[1972Shocker]

I wasn't really singling you out, or even referring to you really. Overall, this generally seems like a "fussy" issue for non-P5 fans.

My take is that this development will separate the D1 low majors from the D1 mid and high majors.

But will individual schools have any control or will it be decided at the conference level?

[SHOCKvalue]

But will individual schools have any control or will it be decided at the conference level?

I believe Steeleshockers take is correct; it is my recollection as well. That being the MVC will allow individual schools to decide for themselves.

[Ta town]

But will individual schools have any control or will it be decided at the conference level?

I believe the Valley can do whatever they want. None, Everybody, or allow it to be up to each school.

My question is what happens if the Valley votes to not allow it? What will WSU's recourse be?

[DUShock]

I believe the Valley can do whatever they want. None, Everybody, or allow it to be up to each school.

My question is what happens if the Valley votes to not allow it? What will WSU's recourse be?

A) Stay
B) Move to a different conference
C) Go Independent

Let's hope the MVC votes to allow each school to choose.

[Shocker-maniac]

But will individual schools have any control or will it be decided at the conference level?

I believe that it is decided at the conference level, but I believe that Elgin is on record saying that the MVC will allow each school to decide.

[Shocker-maniac]

My take is that this development will separate the D1 low majors from the D1 mid and high majors.

I agree. I think we are on the cusp of another major conference realignment. However, this time it will not involve the P5 conferences. The P5 schools have already aligned themselves. It will be the non-P5 schools stratifying by those that want to pay to play aligning themselves to compete and not be held back by those that do not want to spend the funds necessary to compete at the high major level. I also think that we will see more non-P5 schools dropping football. The next few years are going to be very interesting and I think it will be exciting times for ShockerNation.

[1972Shocker]

I believe that it is decided at the conference level, but I believe that Elgin is on record saying that the MVC will allow each school to decide.

Does Elgin make that call, or do the University Presidents make that call by majority vote?

[Shocker-maniac]

Does Elgin make that call, or do the University Presidents make that call by majority vote?

No, I don't think Elgin unilaterally makes the call, but I don't think he makes a public statement without having a good feel where the Conference presidents are going. Here is the quote from Elgin last July.

“I don't think there's any question that we will certainly fund to the highest degree permitted our basketball programs,” Elgin said. “I think beyond that, selectively, schools will opt in as they are able to support and sustain other programs at those higher levels. We will certainly be unified in full support for men’s and women’s basketball.”

Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/sports/college...#storylink=cpy

[Shock Therapy]

Does Elgin make that call, or do the University Presidents make that call by majority vote?

Good question. I don't think that anyone knows. May god have mercy on their souls if it's the university presidents and they deny us.