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    I've never seen anyone attempt to actually pull together data to see which refs call the most/fewest fouls per game. There are obviously many factors that need accounted for (games going to OT will likely have more fouls than games that end in regulation, etc.) Ken Pomeroy seems to have accounted for many of those factors, and his results, as well as his commentary, are fascinating.

  • #2
    Interesting. I was trying to see if I could predict the fouls on tonights game based upon this info. Is there anywhere to find out who is officiating before the game starts?
    On twitter as @WuShocks

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    • #3
      Always thought Jannsen was whistle happy and that he guessed on fouls. These stats kind of proved that theory as he has the 4th highest number of fouls called.

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      • #4
        StatSheet.com has stats of referees, though therre is no analysis nor expalnation there.

        When watching the Shockers, it seems that there is usually one official whose calls seemingly almost always go against the Shockers. If true, that shouldn't happen.
        Unfortunately the ref stats available give each of the three refs at a game the same statistics. Doesn't seem like that happens in Wichita too often.

        The thing that bugs me most is when one official tries to make up for a thought-to-be weaker colleague. You know the kind, the one that makes a call where there are three players' bodies between him and the ball and he calls the jump ball (or a reach-in foul) while the other two with a good view call nothing.
        "I not sure that I've ever been around a more competitive player or young man than Fred VanVleet. I like to win more than 99.9% of the people in this world, but he may top me." -- Gregg Marshall 12/23/13 :peaceful:
        ---------------------------------------
        Remember when Nancy Pelosi said about Obamacare:
        "We have to pass it, to find out what's in it".

        A physician called into a radio show and said:
        "That's the definition of a stool sample."

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Signman View Post
          Always thought Jannsen was whistle happy and that he guessed on fouls. These stats kind of proved that theory as he has the 4th highest number of fouls called.
          That guy was the worst. I remember years ago while listening to the pre-game on the radio...Mike Kennedy saying something like..."tonight's officials are so-and-so, so-and-so (sorry can't remember their names)...and Paul Jannsen.....oh noooooo not Paul Jannsen!!!"

          Totally cracked me up and I was so hoping that Kennedy said that within earshot of above mentioned ref. Lol The guy was turrible.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by AZ Shocker View Post
            That guy was the worst. I remember years ago while listening to the pre-game on the radio...Mike Kennedy saying something like..."tonight's officials are so-and-so, so-and-so (sorry can't remember their names)...and Paul Jannsen.....oh noooooo not Paul Jannsen!!!"

            Totally cracked me up and I was so hoping that Kennedy said that within earshot of above mentioned ref. Lol The guy was turrible.
            Janssen worked this year's Tulsa game. There were 20 fouls on Tulsa and 15 on the Shockers. That game had fewer fouls than 8 of 12 games in the total number of fouls called.
            "I not sure that I've ever been around a more competitive player or young man than Fred VanVleet. I like to win more than 99.9% of the people in this world, but he may top me." -- Gregg Marshall 12/23/13 :peaceful:
            ---------------------------------------
            Remember when Nancy Pelosi said about Obamacare:
            "We have to pass it, to find out what's in it".

            A physician called into a radio show and said:
            "That's the definition of a stool sample."

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            • #7
              Here is the breakdown by referee through 12 games. Look at the variation with Spaulding.

              Venue Game Official-1 OPP PF WSU PF Total Game
              N 12 Daily 8 11 19
              H 9 Daily 16 12 28
              V 8 Davis 22 11 33
              H 7 Eades 20 21 41
              V 2 Eades 20 23 43
              N 11 Greenstein 25 19 44
              V 5 Hall 12 22 34
              H 4 Hartzell 20 15 35
              V 8 Heimerman 22 11 33
              H 1 Heimerman 15 22 37
              V 2 Higgins 20 23 43
              V 5 Higgins 12 22 34
              H 4 Janssen 20 15 35
              N 11 Kimble 25 19 44
              N 12 Kimble 8 11 19
              V 2 Kissinger 20 23 43
              N 11 Lenox 25 19 44
              N 6 Lusk 18 23 41
              N 6 Malham 18 23 41
              V 5 McCall 12 22 34
              H 3 McNutt 27 19 46
              H 7 Oglesby 20 21 41
              H 3 Parker 27 19 46
              H 1 Pollard 15 22 37
              H 9 Shows 16 12 28
              N 6 Simmons 18 23 41
              V 8 Smith 22 11 33
              N 10 Smith 21 20 41
              N 10 Spaldiing 21 20 41
              N 12 Spaulding 8 11 19
              H 4 Spaulding 20 15 35
              H 1 Stevens 15 22 37
              H 3 Stevens 27 19 46
              H 7 Stuart 20 21 41
              N 10 Wells 21 20 41
              H 9 Whitehead 16 12 28
              "I not sure that I've ever been around a more competitive player or young man than Fred VanVleet. I like to win more than 99.9% of the people in this world, but he may top me." -- Gregg Marshall 12/23/13 :peaceful:
              ---------------------------------------
              Remember when Nancy Pelosi said about Obamacare:
              "We have to pass it, to find out what's in it".

              A physician called into a radio show and said:
              "That's the definition of a stool sample."

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              • #8
                Originally posted by im4wsu View Post
                Janssen worked this year's Tulsa game. There were 20 fouls on Tulsa and 15 on the Shockers. That game had fewer fouls than 8 of 12 games in the total number of fouls called.
                Lol - well...perhaps he got lasik done or perhaps he finally pulled his head out of his.......
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                AP Poll History of Wichita St:
                Number of Times Ranked: 157
                Number of Times Ranked #1: 1
                Number of Times Top 5: 32 (Most Recent - 2017)
                Number of Times Top 10: 73 (Most Recent - 2013, 2014, 2015, 2017)

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                • #9
                  Here is the average per game by ref

                  Ref Games Fouls/game
                  McNutt 1 46.0
                  Parker 1 46.0
                  Greenstein 1 44.0
                  Lenox 1 44.0
                  Kissinger 1 43.0
                  Eades 2 42.0
                  Stevens 2 41.5
                  Lusk 1 41.0
                  Malham 1 41.0
                  Oglesby 1 41.0
                  Simmons 1 41.0
                  Stuart 1 41.0
                  Wells 1 41.0
                  Higgins 2 38.5
                  Pollard 1 37.0
                  Smith 2 37.0
                  Hartzell 1 35.0
                  Heimerman 2 35.0
                  Janssen 1 35.0
                  Hall 1 34.0
                  McCall 1 34.0
                  Davis 1 33.0
                  Spaulding 3 31.7
                  Kimble 2 31.5
                  Shows 1 28.0
                  Whitehead 1 28.0
                  Daily 2 23.5
                  "I not sure that I've ever been around a more competitive player or young man than Fred VanVleet. I like to win more than 99.9% of the people in this world, but he may top me." -- Gregg Marshall 12/23/13 :peaceful:
                  ---------------------------------------
                  Remember when Nancy Pelosi said about Obamacare:
                  "We have to pass it, to find out what's in it".

                  A physician called into a radio show and said:
                  "That's the definition of a stool sample."

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                  • #10
                    Article needs a new section -- which referees call fouls on a player to punish them for some perceived misconduct.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Shocker Mama View Post
                      Article needs a new section -- which referees call fouls on a player to punish them for some perceived misconduct.
                      Make-up calls continue to escalate because missed original calls continue to escalate. The there are those refs that have way too much ego.
                      "I not sure that I've ever been around a more competitive player or young man than Fred VanVleet. I like to win more than 99.9% of the people in this world, but he may top me." -- Gregg Marshall 12/23/13 :peaceful:
                      ---------------------------------------
                      Remember when Nancy Pelosi said about Obamacare:
                      "We have to pass it, to find out what's in it".

                      A physician called into a radio show and said:
                      "That's the definition of a stool sample."

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by im4wsu View Post
                        The there are those refs that have way too much ego.
                        ...and then there are those refs that get their va-j-j- hurt waaaaaaaay too easily.
                        FINAL FOURS:
                        1965, 2013

                        NCAA Tournament:
                        1964, 1965, 1976, 1981, 1985, 1987, 1988, 2006, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2021

                        NIT Champs - 1 (2011)

                        AP Poll History of Wichita St:
                        Number of Times Ranked: 157
                        Number of Times Ranked #1: 1
                        Number of Times Top 5: 32 (Most Recent - 2017)
                        Number of Times Top 10: 73 (Most Recent - 2013, 2014, 2015, 2017)

                        Highest Recent AP Ranking:
                        #3 - Dec. 2017
                        #2 ~ March 2014

                        Highest Recent Coaches Poll Ranking:
                        #2 ~ March 2014
                        Finished 2013 Season #4

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                        • #13
                          As an official, I can honestly say I absolutely HATE the way college games are called now. I understand the need to take rough play out of the equation, but a simple touch of a ball handler is not enough to warrant a foul in my opinion. Unfortunately, if these guys want to work the NCAA Tournament, they have to call it by the book, because they know if they don't, they may not see postseason. It is interesting to see the offical chart though, and seeing the way some officials call the fouls and some don't.

                          As for Jannsen being a terrible official, that may be, but Mike Kennedy is by far the worst announcer I have ever listened to, and I refuse to listen to Shocker games on the radio because of his homer attitude and his constant berating of officials. At least when Terry Elliot was the color guy on the baseball games, he was a voice of reason. I know others have the same disdain for MK as I do, and others love him to death. To each their own. I can't stand him.

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                          • #14
                            Paul Janssen is notorious for having a quick whistle and for his trademark stick up the butt running form.
                            The mountains are calling, and I must go.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by shockerfanmas View Post
                              As an official, I can honestly say I absolutely HATE the way college games are called now. I understand the need to take rough play out of the equation, but a simple touch of a ball handler is not enough to warrant a foul in my opinion. Unfortunately, if these guys want to work the NCAA Tournament, they have to call it by the book, because they know if they don't, they may not see postseason. It is interesting to see the offical chart though, and seeing the way some officials call the fouls and some don't.
                              Freedom of movement though.
                              The mountains are calling, and I must go.

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