Seton Hall Game Thread

[Shoxfan11]

Same guy that was whining last year when they handed out front row seats to the people with the best posters (which really meant hottest girls) and he got bumped to 2nd row. He thought we were going to lose since he didn't get to give Ron the lucky pre-game fist bump.

No, that's a different guy.

[Shock Therapy]

I was just thinking that. what a weirdo. I know he likes the shockers but does he not realize how ridiculous he is being. He is probably a shockernetter so I hope he sees all of this and let's others get the front row action

He is a shockernetter, but he got so much grief from this board after that episode that he hasn't posted since. Also, I remeber this being hilarious at the time because someone I know from KWCH that was responsible for this story was taking him way too seriously. I remember asking her to please not give him any more face time.

[ShockTalk]

-Could have been a 20-pointer if the dogs weren't called off so early.
-Whitehead is a talented player but acted like a freshman moron. He'll fit perfectly in the League.
-FVV is not an All-American, at least at this point anyways. He's trying to do too much and trying to score too much. Last year he just took what was given to -him and made opponents play with his outstanding passing and running of the show. This year the offense seems to be more ragged, he forces up a lot of junk against taller front courts and doesn't look to pass in fast break situations. Again, I love Fred. Hopefully things start settling down for him because I miss the Fred of last year.
-Baker is a stud. Nuff said.
-Cotton is also a stud. Nuff said.
-Carter really has that mid-range baseline jumper down. That is a huge asset to have. His throwdown was legit.
-I'm really ashamed of our student section. More unused seats at the top of the arena - an arena that is announced as sold out and an arena where people who are being turned away would gladly be paying money to use those empty seats. Something's gotta change. NOW.
6:00 weeknight games might be a tad early to pull off around here. The atmosphere sucked by tip off as only about half the arena was full. That quickly filled up, but it was definitely a weird feel at the end of pregame festivities.
-Ok, I think we've had our fill of those totally awesome and original paper 3's distributed to everybody yet again. I think it's lame. I've noticed now with the last 2 games that we've had those, that whenever we drill a 3 pointer, everybody is rushing to grab their paper 3 signs and wave them in the air instead of clapping and yelling after the make. The atmosphere actually gets subdued because of these things during 3 pointer makes. Time to retire those outdated gimmicks for a while. Like forever.

Who are you and why are you making so much sense? :eagerness:

Our studs are indeed studs, although I agree that FVV is clearly not an AA. Student section is not up to par with a top notch program.

As for 6:00 being too early to pull off "around here", I think everyone has that problem. I've seen KU start at 6:00 with plenty of empty seats. I've seen the same happen to the LA Lakers on the west coast and the NY Knicks back east. It is just the nature of the timeslot relative to work schedules.

Yup. This is why I like Fev and wish more of his posts were like this, less of the "others".

[ShockerFever]

Who are you and why are you making so much sense? :eagerness:

Our studs are indeed studs, although I agree that FVV is clearly not an AA. Student section is not up to par with a top notch program.

As for 6:00 being too early to pull off "around here", I think everyone has that problem. I've seen KU start at 6:00 with plenty of empty seats. I've seen the same happen to the LA Lakers on the west coast and the NY Knicks back east. It is just the nature of the timeslot relative to work schedules.

I agree the 6:00 isn't just our problem. Just a little frustrating. First world problems I guess when you're playing on national TV. I will say it filled up quickly after tip and the place was rocking just in time for our run.

[ShockerFever]

Just because Fred hasmt found his shot early doesn't mean he isn't an all American. He is probably pressing a bit but look at his assists and steals. Consider how much our offense changes when he isn't runnjng the show.

While I agree with most of what you say, the stats don't show the tons of contested junk that has been thrown up in the lane that never had a prayer of touching rim, much less going in the hoop. Those are essentially turnovers. He may be able to get away with it against some Valley teams, but not against big front lines. I just hope Fred figures that out sooner rather than later. His 3 point shooting is coming back, when he's set, open, and not forcing it. His second half 3s were nice to see.

[_kai_]

He is a shockernetter, but he got so much grief from this board after that episode that he hasn't posted since. Also, I remeber this being hilarious at the time because someone I know from KWCH that was responsible for this story was taking him way too seriously. I remember asking her to please not give him any more face time.

I just remember watching that awful segment where he was so delusional and said without the fist bump he gives his good friend Ron Baker every game that we might lose. I really disliked how entitled he felt he was that he deserved the front row spot, like he's the best fan in the world just because he spends hours waiting outside and dressing up. It was offensive to the fans who are just as dedicated but don't have the freetime or resources to dedicate to the cause.

[SHOCKvalue]

Who's whining?

LOL! That WSU vs SHU thread on the redturd forum has been axed.

[_kai_]

LOL! That WSU vs SHU thread on the redturd forum has been axed.

I saw they had a Redbird Highlight thread on there, figured I'd check it out and got this:

[pie n eye]

I think there is a lot of crazy talk going on with Fred. The Seton Hall guards busted their asses trying to disrupt him last night and he ended up with 18 points, 8 assists and only 3 turnovers. For most guys 8/3 is great but I bet Fred would like to have the TO's back. He also shot 2-3 from behind the arc with both threes created in the flow of the offense, assisted by another shocker.

Cle > Evan Wessell? You don't say. One of the things Cle did so well was draw fouls and get to the stripe. I love shocker free throws. So you can imagine why my favorite Fred stat was 8-8 from the line. He got there eight times by being aggressive off the bounce and playing through contact at the rim. Once he was at the stripe he made them count.

Has he been perfect? Probably not but show me someone who is. I'm glad his jersey says "Wichita State" on the front and not something else.

6-1 and still plenty of room to improve. I think maybe the undefeated season has us a little spoiled. Maybe not.

[moshock]

http://blog.nj.com/setonhall/2014/12/hall_suffers_first_loss_in_fre.html#incart_related_stories

Wichita State is excellent, and nearly unbeatable at home. The Shockers offense runs as smoothly as any Seton Hall will see in the Big East.

[Dan]

I just remember watching that awful segment where he was so delusional and said without the fist bump he gives his good friend Ron Baker every game that we might lose.

I can just see the story now.

Reporter: Ron, tell me about how you've prepared for this season and what it is that has taken your game to the next level:
Ron Baker: Well, I spent countless hours in the gym working on my shot, attended several high level NBA caliber camps, worked with Fred all summer on ball handling techniques, but there was still one thing missing.
Reporter: oh really, what was that.
Ron Baker: Well, there's a dude that sits in the front row of every home game. Even with all that hard work, I don't think I can play a good game without getting a lucky fist bump. If I didn't get that fist bump, I don't know what I would do.

[_kai_]

I think there is a lot of crazy talk going on with Fred. The Seton Hall guards busted their asses trying to disrupt him last night and he ended up with 18 points, 8 assists and only 3 turnovers. For most guys 8/3 is great but I bet Fred would like to have the TO's back. He also shot 2-3 from behind the arc with both threes created in the flow of the offense, assisted by another shocker.

Cle > Evan Wessell? You don't say. One of the things Cle did so well was draw fouls and get to the stripe. I love shocker free throws. So you can imagine why my favorite Fred stat was 8-8 from the line. He got there eight times by being aggressive off the bounce and playing through contact at the rim. Once he was at the stripe he made them count.

Has he been perfect? Probably not but show me someone who is. I'm glad his jersey says "Wichita State" on the front and not something else.

6-1 and still plenty of room to improve. I think maybe the undefeated season has us a little spoiled. Maybe not.

Fred was 4/11 last night and 5/19 against Utah. My point about Cle and Evan is that Cle opened the floor. Which you go on right after the snarky "You don't say" which was the entire point of my post. So I guess I'm not understanding what that was all about? You're agreeing with my sentiment.

No one is talking **** on Fred, no one is saying he sucks, no one is saying they're not glad Wichita State is on his jersey. We do have the right to talk about how he's not been as effective as last year. It is a very valid observation. And if you think I'm somehow just spewing nonsense, here are facts.

FG% this year = .395
FG% last year = .484

3P% this year = .259
3P% last year = .418

FT% this year = .743
FT% last year = .830

REB this year = 3.4
REB last year = 3.9

AST this year = 5.0
AST last year = 5.4

TO this year = 1.4
TO last year = 1.3

STL this year = 2.6
STL last year = 1.9

PTS this year = 13.3
PTS last year = 11.6

[Dan]

Any way you can do a comparison of Fred this time last year vs this year? It might be more meaningful to see if there was any correlation to the beginning of the season rather than comparing 7 games to a full season.

[_kai_]

Any way you can do a comparison of Fred this time last year vs this year? It might be more meaningful to see if there was any correlation to the beginning of the season rather than comparing 7 games to a full season.

Working on it now, i'll edit when I get back with answers.

Through first 7 games of last year here are his stats.

FG 28/56 = .500
3P 7/14 = .500
FT 28/33 = .850
REB 21 = 3/gm
AST 38 = 5.43/gm
BLK 2 = .29/gm
STL 17 = 2.43/gm
TO 10 = 1.43/gm
PTS 91 = 13/gm

In the format of the previous post using last year's first 7 games as the last year figures:

FG% this year = .395
FG% last year = .500


3P% this year = .259
3P% last year = .500


FT% this year = .743
FT% last year = .850


REB this year = 3.4
REB last year = 3.0


AST this year = 5.0
AST last year = 5.43


TO this year = 1.4
TO last year = 1.43


STL this year = 2.6
STL last year = 2.43


PTS this year = 13.3
PTS last year = 13.0

[Fozzy]

Thought the Shocks looked good, especially the starting 5. Not too good the first five minutes, but from Ron's dunk afterwards it was a different game. Not too worried about the ball sharing on fast breaks - if you watch Ron on one of his in the 2nd half he's pretty much looking at the defensive player the whole time to see what he's going to do and react based on it. Wish Tekele would have gone for a dunk on his one in the 2nd half rather than a reverse layup that got blocked. Free throws though got me a little worried - hopefully they turn that part around.

Have a feeling most of the conference games are going to be like these last two wins. Either a blowout like St. Louis, or a game like last night where a shooter has his night and keeps things relatively close. Hopefully the blowout games will give the new guys plenty of more playing time and get them ready for tournament time. Great to have veterans on hand to win games while the new guys get better. Great to have a holiday tournament for the team as well - gives them time for some serious team bonding. I have a feeling the team will be even better after it.