2014-15 National Rankings

[1972Shocker]

I hope UNI doesn't fall too far. There are very, very few teams who would have beaten the Shocks in that environment yesterday with the way the Shocks played.

[WuDrWu]

The Beakers can handle a loss to K St where the Zags cannot because of there overall schedule and performance.

Kansas: No games against 200+ teams, 7-0 against 101-200, 7-1 against 51-100, 3-2 against 26-50, and 6-3 against 1-25.

Gonzaga: 7-0 against 200+ teams, 13-0 against 101-200, 4-0 against 51-100, 3-1 against 26-50, and 1-1 against 1-25.

Two thirds of the Zags schedule is against 101+ compared to nearly three quarters of the Beakers against 1-100. The Zags have less margin for error as they have been tested much less. Nevertheless, both are probably 2 seeds and correctly so. KU will probably be expected to split their 2 remaining regular season games and that will not hurt them because of who they are playing.

If WSU dropped off their 10 200+ games for 7 games against top 25 teams and 3 against 26-50, how would you feel about going 6-4 in those games and being 24-7 and a 2 seed?

What's your point? I didn't see anyone arguing the Zags v KU but if you want to go to the eye test. KU's hands would be FULL against the Zags. Arvydas' kid is the real deal, as a team the Zags are more disciplined, smarter, better shooters and big enough to handle KU's superior athleticism plus they are about 3 times more experienced.

And I'm sick of hearing about "quality losses" when the deck is stacked against other teams.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

A LARGE amount of money says UNI falls further in the polls by losing to the #11 team in the country on the road than ku does losing to the #100 team in the country on the road (a team that recently was BLOWN out by both TCU and Texas Tech).

I'm going to laugh tomorrow when all of you complainers see the polls come out and see that UNI fell a grand total of one spot, and only because the team that just beat them yesterday was bumped up.

[tw805]

I would like to see them switch spots, but there is a legitimate argument that both UNI and WSU should stay put as well. Both teams look very good, and each blew the other one out on its home floor. I don't know that this week says anything different about the two teams. Rankings mean little anyway, but they especially mean nothing at this time of year.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

I would like to see them switch spots, but there is a legitimate argument that both UNI and WSU should stay put as well. Both teams look very good, and each blew the other one out on its home floor. I don't know that this week says anything different about the two teams.

UNI only deserved to be ahead of WSU when the series was 1-0 in their favor.

As a 1-1 series tie, the 2 games are a wash, and WSU has a clear resume advantage when comparing their other 28 games.

WSU SHOULD be ahead of UNI on EVERYONE's ballot. I'm not saying some goober might not keep UNI higher, just that putting WSU ahead is clearly the correct decision.

[ShockTalk]

What's your point? I didn't see anyone arguing the Zags v KU but if you want to go to the eye test. KU's hands would be FULL against the Zags. Arvydas' kid is the real deal, as a team the Zags are more disciplined, smarter, better shooters and big enough to handle KU's superior athleticism plus they are about 3 times more experienced.

And I'm sick of hearing about "quality losses" when the deck is stacked against other teams.

"What's the point"? I was responding to DJ06Shocker's comment about how far the Zags would drop. They'd still be a 2 seed even if they drop 3-4 spots in the ranking. Guess I should have "quoted". So sorry. Perhaps one should feel a little better about things the morning after such a great Shocker day. Pretty fair assumption that any 2 seed could beat any other 2 seed. Probably that a 3, 4, or 5 could as well.

I think the Beakers are very vulnerable, never said they were not. I hope the Zags get that lack of Dance performance off their back, just not at our expense.

"Sick of quality losses"? True, the Beakers have 3 times as many Top 50 losses as WSU and UNI. Of course, they also have 5 times as many "quality wins". Some of us would just as soon not hear that. Take the name off the jersey. Would you feel good about Shocker basketball if we had that schedule and record? I hell as know I would and feeling that 2 seed would be deserved. People need to get over KWho. I don't even want to play them. They had their chance, didn't take it, so screw'm. Even more so to K St.

Your also right that the deck is stacked against other teams. In our case, we have 7 other teams to thank for that. Or maybe we can blame not having football. How about our location...too far east for the MWC, too far west for the Atl-10. Poor, poor us.

A very wise man once told me to "Enjoy the ride". I'm doing that and I'm so glad we are having opportunities to show off Shocker Nation to the rest of the country. :wsu_posters:

[ShockTalk]

I'm going to laugh tomorrow when all of you complainers see the polls come out and see that UNI fell a grand total of one spot, and only because the team that just beat them yesterday was bumped up.

UNI only deserved to be ahead of WSU when the series was 1-0 in their favor.

As a 1-1 series tie, the 2 games are a wash, and WSU has a clear resume advantage when comparing their other 28 games.

WSU SHOULD be ahead of UNI on EVERYONE's ballot. I'm not saying some goober might not keep UNI higher, just that putting WSU ahead is clearly the correct decision.

I think UNI may very well drop 2 or 3 spots, not just 1. However, it will not be the loss to WSU that would do it, it will be that 2nd Valley loss to someone other than WSU.

[AZ Shocker]

If WSU dropped off their 10 200+ games for 7 games against top 25 teams and 3 against 26-50, how would you feel about going 6-4 in those games and being 24-7 and a 2 seed?

I like this question because I've wondered about this over the years. My opinion is that Wichita St. would NOT get the 2 seed due to MVC league affiliation. I would assume with a 24-7 overall record (even going 6-4 against the Top-25)....that Wichita St. would be ranked in the high teens to low 20's. Heck the Shockers may not even be ranked in the Top-25 with a 27-7 record. KU, Carolina, Duke, etc. yes...but no dice for non-BCS school. I wonder if there has ever been a similar teams resume with that type of record in a Non-BCS conference and receive a 2 seed. Too tired to look for it...but I have to doubt it's ever happened.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

I think UNI may very well drop 2 or 3 spots, not just 1. However, it will not be the loss to WSU that would do it, it will be that 2nd Valley loss to someone other than WSU.

Looking at the AP

8 - Kansas (1-1 vs a bubble team and an NIT team)
9 - Notre Dame (lost at home to unranked team in only game this week)
10 - UNI
11 - WSU
12 - Iowa St (lost twice this week)
13 - Utah (lost at home)
14 - Maryland (great home win vs Wisconsin)
15 - UNC (lost to an unranked team)

Maryland is the only team besides WSU with any chance of passing UNI. This past Monday, UNI led Maryland in votes 1,032 vs 695. Maryland will gain ground, but I doubt they actually pass UNI this week.

UNI is actually more likely to stay at 10 with WSU and Notre Dame flip flopping than they are to fall to 12.

[ShockTalk]

I like this question because I've wondered about this over the years. My opinion is that Wichita St. would NOT get the 2 seed due to MVC league affiliation. I would assume with a 24-7 overall record (even going 6-4 against the Top-25)....that Wichita St. would be ranked in the high teens to low 20's. Heck the Shockers may not even be ranked in the Top-25 with a 27-7 record. KU, Carolina, Duke, etc. yes...but no dice for non-BCS school. I wonder if there has ever been a similar teams resume with that type of record in a Non-BCS conference and receive a 2 seed. Too tired to look for it...but I have to doubt it's ever happened.

My point is strictly a hypo. We will never have those opportunities playing in the Valley. That said, there are only, I believe, 8 teams with a plus record over the Top 25 and 3 of those teams have 3 or fewer wins. Any team with + Top 25 record with 6/7 wins is definitely Top 10 material.

[ShockTalk]

Looking at the AP

8 - Kansas (1-1 vs a bubble team and an NIT team)
9 - Notre Dame (lost at home to unranked team in only game this week)
10 - UNI
11 - WSU
12 - Iowa St (lost twice this week)
13 - Utah (lost at home)
14 - Maryland (great home win vs Wisconsin)
15 - UNC (lost to an unranked team)

Maryland is the only team besides WSU with any chance of passing UNI. This past Monday, UNI led Maryland in votes 1,032 vs 695. Maryland will gain ground, but I doubt they actually pass UNI this week.

UNI is actually more likely to stay at 10 with WSU and Notre Dame flip flopping than they are to fall to 12.

Didn't say it wasn't logical. The question is whether it happens. I hope you are right.

[wufan]

My point is strictly a hypo. We will never have those opportunities playing in the Valley. That said, there are only, I believe, 8 teams with a plus record over the Top 25 and 3 of those teams have 3 or fewer wins. Any team with + Top 25 record with 6/7 wins is definitely Top 10 material.

KU is 2-2 on the road against the top 25 RPI (Beat Georgetown and Baylor, lost to West Virginia, Iowa State). 0-1 neutral against top 25 RPI (Kentucky), 4-0 at home against the top 25 RPI (Utah, Baylor, Iowa St., Oklahoma).

We are 1-0 against top 25 at home. 0-1 on the road and 0-1 neutral.

[Steeleshocker]

KU is 2-2 on the road against the top 25 RPI (Beat Georgetown and Baylor, lost to West Virginia, Iowa State). 0-1 neutral against top 25 RPI (Kentucky), 4-0 at home against the top 25 RPI (Utah, Baylor, Iowa St., Oklahoma).

We are 1-0 against top 25 at home. 0-1 on the road and 0-1 neutral.

Who in the top 25 did we play neutral?

[wufan]

Who in the top 25 did we play neutral?

Nobody. We are 0-2 on the road. My bad.

[im4wsu]

Who in the top 25 did we play neutral?

Utah was a road game. UNI was the home and road.