ESPN Top 50 Coaches # 8 - Gregg Marshall

[RussDaBus]

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http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/99385/playing-angry-the-marshall-way

Pretty Sweet!

My bad, I see this was already posted in another thread. Still think it deserves it own though!

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[jocoshock]

“He’s not going to be content until he gets a national championship with Wichita State.”

[Jhook89]

So I was pondering the other day and came to the realization that we will probably have to win (or at least make) a national championship in the next two years to keep 3G. I feel we are getting pretty close to his situation at Winthrop. He left because he reached the ceiling and couldn't assemble a better team and get better results. Most would argue that he's probably in the same situation here. It's going to be pretty hard for him to match or succeed the team he currently has. If he's not able to win it all with this group he may feel he's reached his ceiling here too

[Cdizzle]

So I was pondering the other day and came to the realization that we will probably have to win (or at least make) a national championship in the next two years to keep 3G. I feel we are getting pretty close to his situation at Winthrop. He left because he reached the ceiling and couldn't assemble a better team and get better results. Most would argue that he's probably in the same situation here. It's going to be pretty hard for him to match or succeed the team he currently has. If he's not able to win it all with this group he may feel he's reached his ceiling here too

When your "ceiling" is losing extremely close games to teams that play in the national championship game, you just have to keep taking your teams to the tournament and eventually things will fall your way.

[DJShocker10]

So I was pondering the other day and came to the realization that we will probably have to win (or at least make) a national championship in the next two years to keep 3G. I feel we are getting pretty close to his situation at Winthrop. He left because he reached the ceiling and couldn't assemble a better team and get better results. Most would argue that he's probably in the same situation here. It's going to be pretty hard for him to match or succeed the team he currently has. If he's not able to win it all with this group he may feel he's reached his ceiling here too

Forgive me, but that mentality sounds a little closer to Marshall's predecessor here. I think Marshall has proven there is no ceiling at Wichita State, and he knows it.

[WuShock16]

So I was pondering the other day and came to the realization that we will probably have to win (or at least make) a national championship in the next two years to keep 3G. I feel we are getting pretty close to his situation at Winthrop. He left because he reached the ceiling and couldn't assemble a better team and get better results. Most would argue that he's probably in the same situation here. It's going to be pretty hard for him to match or succeed the team he currently has. If he's not able to win it all with this group he may feel he's reached his ceiling here too

Using this logic, when does Thad Matta realize he has hit his ceiling at Ohio State and move on?

[Dan]

So I was pondering the other day and came to the realization that we will probably have to win (or at least make) a national championship in the next two years to keep 3G. I feel we are getting pretty close to his situation at Winthrop. He left because he reached the ceiling and couldn't assemble a better team and get better results. Most would argue that he's probably in the same situation here. It's going to be pretty hard for him to match or succeed the team he currently has. If he's not able to win it all with this group he may feel he's reached his ceiling here too

Totally disagree with this. This year 3G has his best recruiting class coming in. It took him this long to get to the point where he was able to attract this type of talent. The talent he is now recruiting for the future is even better. 3G knows he can be a regular in the NCAA. He also knows he can compete with any team in the country. The hard part is done (building the program), now he just needs the chips to fall his way because he can be a title contender here at WSU and it doesn't necessarily have to happen int he next couple years. We just need to make sure he continues to get the support and pay so he has no excuse to leave.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

So I was pondering the other day and came to the realization that we will probably have to win (or at least make) a national championship in the next two years to keep 3G. I feel we are getting pretty close to his situation at Winthrop. He left because he reached the ceiling and couldn't assemble a better team and get better results. Most would argue that he's probably in the same situation here. It's going to be pretty hard for him to match or succeed the team he currently has. If he's not able to win it all with this group he may feel he's reached his ceiling here too

No. No. No.

He left Winthrop because there were limitations of what Winthrop could provide, and playing in a lousy conference made NCAA seeding miserable.

At Winthrop

• he couldn’t field a national championship level team
• he couldn’t earn a quality seed in the NCAA Tournament

At WSU he can do both of those. 67 out of 68 teams end their Big Dance with a loss. The fact that he can be in the hunt year-in-year-out is what he really wants, and is what makes his current situation completely different from his last job. There could be better offers out there, and he might even take one, but it won’t be a comparable situation to his Winthrop to WSU jump.

[ShockerPrez]

As great as FVV, Baker and Early are...

Im going to go ahead and predict that there will be others better....

Perhaps even on this roster.

[wu_shizzle]

We were a #1 seed, there is no ceiling.

[lemuel777]

No. No. No.

He left Winthrop because there were limitations of what Winthrop could provide, and playing in a lousy conference made NCAA seeding miserable.

At Winthrop

• he couldn’t field a national championship level team
• he couldn’t earn a quality seed in the NCAA Tournament

At WSU he can do both of those. 67 out of 68 teams end their Big Dance with a loss. The fact that he can be in the hunt year-in-year-out is what he really wants, and is what makes his current situation completely different from his last job. There could be better offers out there, and he might even take one, but it won’t be a comparable situation to his Winthrop to WSU jump.

I mostly agree with your statements. But if the MVC doesn't get multiple NCAA bids this coming season and continues to tank AND we have to go undefeated to get a #1 seed... Though it's not exactly like the Winthrop situation, it would be a great irritant and make a coach like GM very antsy.

[ShockerFever]

So I was pondering the other day and came to the realization that we will probably have to win (or at least make) a national championship in the next two years to keep 3G. I feel we are getting pretty close to his situation at Winthrop. He left because he reached the ceiling and couldn't assemble a better team and get better results. Most would argue that he's probably in the same situation here. It's going to be pretty hard for him to match or succeed the team he currently has. If he's not able to win it all with this group he may feel he's reached his ceiling here too

Um, what he's done here is pretty much the ceiling at ANY division 1 school. He's gotten Final Fours, Top 2 rankings, 1 seeds in the NCAAs, undefeated seasons, etc, although that last one probably wouldn't be attainable at another school.

Your reasoning is pretty flaky.

[wufan]

I mostly agree with your statements. But if the MVC doesn't get multiple NCAA bids this coming season and continues to tank AND we have to go undefeated to get a #1 seed... Though it's not exactly like the Winthrop situation, it would be a great irritant and make a coach like GM very antsy.

Lack of competition from the MVC might push him out.

[Dave Stalwart]

We were a #1 seed, there is no ceiling.

This.

He left Winthrop over having a dominant team that still got a bottom of the dumpster kind of seed. He was in an extreme type of condition.

At WSU, you can have a dominant team and get a 1 seed. The difference between these two situations is huge.

The only thing you gain at a blue blood is the recruiting edge and the scheduling edge. Not money because Sexton pays the man well, not fans because we rock, and the last few seasons have proven that you can win big and gain real respect here too.

Well, Marshall accounts for those first two issues with his own talent for running a program. Most coaches could not do what he has done. He doesn't need a recruiting edge. He takes regular talent and coaches them into 5 stars. He takes 3 stars who are unnoticed 4 and 5 stars because he can see what others can't. We are so lucky. WSU will win a national title with Gregg Marshall.