Has this ever been accomplished before?

[mediaadvantages]

After looking through Van Vleet's stats for the season, I have been wondering if any point guard has accomplished what he is doing this year? I'm sure someone else might have a quicker way to look this up than I do.

Has any point guard accomplished the following?
4:1 assist ratio
Avg. 10+ points per game
Shoot 50% from the field
Shoot 45% from 3point range

Maybe the season stats aren't as rare as they seem but he is very close to these stats for the year.

Edited to make sure I'm being clear about accomplishing all of these in the same season, not just one of the individual stats.

[ABC]

After looking through Van Vleet's stats for the season, I have been wondering if any point guard has accomplished what he is doing this year? I'm sure someone else might have a quicker way to look this up than I do.

Has any point guard accomplished the following?
4:1 assist ratio
Avg. 10+ points per game
Shoot 50% from the field
Shoot 45% from 3point range

Maybe the season stats aren't as rare as they seem but he is very close to these stats for the year.

Edited to make sure I'm being clear about accomplishing all of these in the same season, not just one of the individual stats.

I think he is shooting .485 from the field? Regardless, an unbelievable season.

[Kung Wu]

Nice quadfecta he's got going there. You could add that as a PG he's averaging 4 boards per game.

[mediaadvantages]

Yeah I knew he wasn't quite at those numbers but is very close. See if you can guess the two point guards below without looking it up.

Point Guard #1
1.7:1 Assist Ratio
17.8 PPG
46.3% from the field
37.2% from three

Point Guard #2
3.3 Assist Ratio
12.1 PPG
41.2% from the field
36.5% from three

[1972Shocker]

Nice quadfecta he's got going there. You could add that as a PG he's averaging 4 boards per game.

His best stat is that he is averaging 1 win per game.

[CBB_Fan]

According to sports-reference.com, one other person has averaged 10 PPG (40+% 3PT shooting) and 5 assists with less than 1.5 TOs per game. That other person is Cody Doolin, this year, who played a total of 4 games with a line of 13 PPG (53/43/80), 1.3 RPG, 7 APG, and 1.5 TOPG. In other words, no PG besides Van Vleet has had similar averages over an entire season. If we relax the standards to 7.5 PPG, 4 APG, 1.75 TOPG and 37.5% from beyond the arc, 19 qualify. The problem I've found is that turnover numbers seem to be irregularly kept, and many players don't have any marks in the TO field.

Going back, I can only find a few extra candidates. Kirk Hinrich from KU averaged 11.5 PPG in 00-01, shot 50% from the 3PT line, and had 6.9 ASTs/3.4 TOs. Scott Machado from Iona had 13.9 PPG, shot 40% from deep, and had 9.9 ASTs/1.6 TOs (insane 6.2 A/TO ratio). Other notables:

Kirk Hinrich (again, 01-02): 14.8 PPG, 48% 3PT, 5/2.6 AST/TO, 4.8 RPG
Kyle Anderson (this year): 14.9 PPG, 49% 3PT, 6.8 AST/0.8 TO, 8.6 RPG, only non-PG on list (6'8 SF for UCLA)
Shabazz Napier (this year): 17.8 PPG, 41% 3PT, 5.3 AST/2.7 TO, 6 RPG
Nate Wolters (10-11): 19.5 PPG, 41% 3PT, 6.1 AST/2.2 TO, 4.6 RPG
Chris Paul (04-05): 15.3 PPG, 48% 3PT, 6.6 AST/2.8 TO, 4.5 RPG
Raymond Felton (04-05): 12.9 PPG, 44% 3PT, 6.9 AST/3.6 TO, 4.3 RPG

So what Fred Van Vleet is doing isn't completely unique, but doing so puts him in great company. It doesn't look like anyone beats him in volume, efficiency, rebounding, and A/TO ratio, though some are better or close in 3 of the 4 categories. I'll note that only one past Cousy Award winner comes close to matching Fred in those categories, Raymond Felton. In other words, Fred is clearly one of the best pure PGs we've seen in decades, and I believe the obvious choice for the Cousy Award this year.

[tgcshock]

According to sports-reference.com, one other person has averaged 10 PPG (40+% 3PT shooting) and 5 assists with less than 1.5 TOs per game. That other person is Cody Doolin, this year, who played a total of 4 games with a line of 13 PPG (53/43/80), 1.3 RPG, 7 APG, and 1.5 TOPG. In other words, no PG besides Van Vleet has had similar averages over an entire season. If we relax the standards to 7.5 PPG, 4 APG, 1.75 TOPG and 37.5% from beyond the arc, 19 qualify. The problem I've found is that turnover numbers seem to be irregularly kept, and many players don't have any marks in the TO field.

Going back, I can only find a few extra candidates. Kirk Hinrich from KU averaged 11.5 PPG in 00-01, shot 50% from the 3PT line, and had 6.9 ASTs/3.4 TOs. Scott Machado from Iona had 13.9 PPG, shot 40% from deep, and had 9.9 ASTs/1.6 TOs (insane 6.2 A/TO ratio). Other notables:

Kirk Hinrich (again, 01-02): 14.8 PPG, 48% 3PT, 5/2.6 AST/TO, 4.8 RPG
Kyle Anderson (this year): 14.9 PPG, 49% 3PT, 6.8 AST/0.8 TO, 8.6 RPG, only non-PG on list (6'8 SF for UCLA)
Shabazz Napier (this year): 17.8 PPG, 41% 3PT, 5.3 AST/2.7 TO, 6 RPG
Nate Wolters (10-11): 19.5 PPG, 41% 3PT, 6.1 AST/2.2 TO, 4.6 RPG
Chris Paul (04-05): 15.3 PPG, 48% 3PT, 6.6 AST/2.8 TO, 4.5 RPG
Raymond Felton (04-05): 12.9 PPG, 44% 3PT, 6.9 AST/3.6 TO, 4.3 RPG

So what Fred Van Vleet is doing isn't completely unique, but doing so puts him in great company. It doesn't look like anyone beats him in volume, efficiency, rebounding, and A/TO ratio, though some are better or close in 3 of the 4 categories. I'll note that only one past Cousy Award winner comes close to matching Fred in those categories, Raymond Felton. In other words, Fred is clearly one of the best pure PGs we've seen in decades, and I believe the obvious choice for the Cousy Award this year.

Are you sure Doug Gottlieb didn't surpass this? He is a former point guard who is unimpressed with FVV. I'm assuming his career numbers must be significantly better.

[1972Shocker]

Are you sure Doug Gottlieb didn't surpass this? He is a former point guard who is unimpressed with FVV. I'm assuming his career numbers must be significantly better.

You have to take into account that everyone Doug played was better than him and that FVV is better than everyone he plays against. Once you take that into account their numbers are much closer.

[tgcshock]

You have to take into account that everyone Doug played was better than him and that FVV is better than everyone he plays against. Once you take that into account their numbers are much closer.

Also Doug had quality losses on which to be evaluated. FVV insistence on winning all the time makes his game impossible to measure.

[Kung Wu]

His best stat is that he is averaging 1 win per game.

Hilarious and yet SOOO true!

[Aargh]

His best stat is that he is averaging 1 win per game.

That's just barely ahead of Baker's number.

In games they've both started, they have no losses.

Over their 2-year careers, in games where both Baker and VanVleet have played, the Shox are 47-3. That's a W/L % of 94%! Their losses are Tennessee (@ Tennessee), Creighton (neutral), and Louisville (neutral).

To go another step the Shox are 14-6 (W/L = 70%) over the last two years when Baker does not play. Dang, my numbers are off, since Baker missed 21 games, but you still get the idea.

[wufan]

That's just barely ahead of Baker's number.

In games they've both started, they have no losses.

Over their 2-year careers, in games where both Baker and VanVleet have played, the Shox are 47-3. That's a W/L % of 94%! Their losses are Tennessee (@ Tennessee), Creighton (neutral), and Louisville (neutral).

To go another step the Shox are 14-6 (W/L = 70%) over the last two years when Baker does not play. Dang, my numbers are off, since Baker missed 21 games, but you still get the idea.

Shox are 46-3 when FVV and RB have played. and 15-6 when he sat.

[WSUwatcher]

You have to take into account that everyone Doug played was better than him and that FVV is better than everyone he plays against. Once you take that into account their numbers are much closer.

Or, as Gottlieb would put it, there are different levels of point guard play.