The whole "weak schedule" thing

[Cdizzle]

Pomeroy has it at 139

http://kenpom.com/index.php?y=2014

Thanks for running the numbers. I assume you used Pomeroy for the historical data as well?

[ROOT ANGRY!]

Pomeroy has it at 139

http://kenpom.com/index.php?y=2014

kenpom's 139 is NOT his version of our rpi. it's the pythagorean ranking of our opponents' offensive and defensive efficiency ratings.

Creighton's rpi, for example, according to warrennolan, is 10, while its kenpom rating is currently 2. (that's what an insane 128.2 offensive efficiency rating does for you!)

louisville's rpi is 32, while their kenpom rating is 7

in short, the rpi and kenpom ratings are 2 different measures and we should not conflate or confuse them

[Dan]

It's time for HCGM to start scheduling at least 1 power team with no return, in my opinion. I am fully confident we can win anywhere and if we lose we still get national recognition and a bump in our schedule strength. Look at KU, before the Iowa State win, they were 0-4 with their Top 25 opponents and the national pundits continued to praise them for having the most difficult schedule. Never mind that they lost them all. I think we can step it up a little and not get hurt as much as we would have in the past.

[ICTShockerFan]

It's time for HCGM to start scheduling at least 1 power team with no return, in my opinion. I am fully confident we can win anywhere and if we lose we still get national recognition and a bump in our schedule strength. Look at KU, before the Iowa State win, they were 0-4 with their Top 25 opponents and the national pundits continued to praise them for having the most difficult schedule. Never mind that they lost them all. I think we can step it up a little and not get hurt as much as we would have in the past.

I'm kind of torn on this issue. Obviously I would love to see a more competitive schedule, but I don't know if we want to do it by taking buy games. Don't we want our program to not be viewed as small-time or "mid-major"? I would't think you'd find the so called "major" schools agreeing to a game with no return. I think the effort needs to be on finding a new conference home as the Valley has shown 0 signs of improvement any time in the near future. Just my thoughts...

[ShockerFever]

LOL, go figure Jamar uses the system that has statistically ranked the worst. Once again, shocking.

The committee doesn't use homemade ranking systems like Pomeroy. You'd think the anal statistical guru would know this. And yes, I literally mean anal.

[kochHead]

Back to this literal thing again...

JHFP is literally an "anal statistical guru". JHFP please tell me how long you have been studying anuses and what your favorite stat is.

[ABC]

I don't think we should do one and done. The top-level of non-BCS teams simply don't do this. Gonzaga did not do this. They did a lot of neutral, but I do not believe they did any buy games.

[RoyalShock]

Back to this literal thing again...

JHFP is literally an "anal statistical guru". JHFP please tell me how long you have been studying anuses and what your favorite stat is.

My favorite is oPp40, or opponent puckers per 40 minutes.

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

Im all for taking paycheck games. I mean its not ideal but taking a large check AND whooping sone ass? Priceless

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

LOL, go figure Jamar uses the system that has statistically ranked the worst. Once again, shocking.

The committee doesn't use homemade ranking systems like Pomeroy. You'd think the anal statistical guru would know this. And yes, I literally mean anal.

I use Pomeroy's rankings all the time because his site is easy to navigate when looking to research topics over multiple years. Had nothing to do with his rankings coming out higher or lower than anyone elses. I'm really surprised his SOS numbers in this case vary so much from those of RPI sites. In most cases, his rankings are close enough to the RPI for the difference to be meaningless when you are trying to look at big picture questions such as the initial post of this thread.

Thank you for once again obsessing about me. It feels good to be loved.

[owenc]

I don't think we should do one and done. The top-level of non-BCS teams simply don't do this. Gonzaga did not do this. They did a lot of neutral, but I do not believe they did any buy games.

Gonzaga may not do this now (although they probably do some), they used to do this all the time. They played a LOT of years where most of their non-conference schedule was on the road and pretty much all the good stuff was. I'm assuming those were buy in games. Seems silly to play all away and not get paid ;-)

[Shock Therapy]

People keep asking if we should take a buy game against a "name" opponent. What you all are neglecting to see is that no one in their right mind would want to buy us. No one buys games with teams that have a good chance of winning. It just doesn't happen. To think that it's even an option for us at this time is insane.

[ShockerEngr]

LOL, go figure Jamar uses the system that has statistically ranked the worst. Once again, shocking.

The committee doesn't use homemade ranking systems like Pomeroy. You'd think the anal statistical guru would know this. And yes, I literally mean anal.

You might want to check where your own head is stuck before running around like you are...

Calling Ken's calc's "homemade" just reinforces your ignorance and disdain for the statistical side of the game. Ken's been on the leading edge of tempo based stats for years - stats which have given far more of an insight into the strengths of teams than the overly simplistic RPI calculations do...and have certainly placed the Shocks in a more positive light over the years than the more traditional "points scored" methods.

Statistics don't mean everything, especially on an individual game scale...but your shtick is getting really old.

[Steeleshocker]

I just thought of a new drinking game...

[ShockerFever]

You might want to check where your own head is stuck before running around like you are...

Calling Ken's calc's "homemade" just reinforces your ignorance and disdain for the statistical side of the game. Ken's been on the leading edge of tempo based stats for years - stats which have given far more of an insight into the strengths of teams than the overly simplistic RPI calculations do...and have certainly placed the Shocks in a more positive light over the years than the more traditional "points scored" methods.

Statistics don't mean everything, especially on an individual game scale...but your shtick is getting really old.

Wow, an engineer geek backing up the stat guru. Again, I'm shocked.

I never said Pomeroy's ratings were bad. But the NCAA selection committee, you know.. the one that picks teams for the NCAA Tournament, doesn't use it to in their decision process. Therefore, it was irrelevant to bring up based on what was being discussed and brought up in the thread.

Get it? Probably not.

What is my "shtick" exactly? Defending WSU from Calculus-based nonsense that's used to disparage or knock them down whenever possible?

Ok.