The whole "weak schedule" thing

[ABC]

Does anyone have data, historical and current, to place this year's schedule in perspective?

It seems like an okay schedule to me, and not unlike a lot of schedules of top 10-20 teams in the past, particularly non-conference.

I notice that WSU current SOS is 68 and Syracuse's SOS is a big or small difference, for example? Thanks in advance for the assistance.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

2013 SOS
1 Seeds – 9, 17, 39, 86
2 Seeds – 6, 8, 18, 37
3 Seeds – 1, 13, 23, 40

2012 SOS
1 Seeds – 2, 25, 28, 35
2 Seeds – 1, 5, 22, 60
3 Seeds – 14, 19, 20, 30

2011 SOS
1 Seeds – 22, 28, 35, 39
2 Seeds – 8, 21, 34, 36
3 Seeds – 5, 14, 19, 45

2010 SOS
1 Seeds – 4, 16, 41, 53
2 Seeds – 1, 2, 13, 55
3 Seeds – 3, 9, 36, 99

WSU currently sits at 139. A very unique case for being a top 3 seed. Only comparable in last 4 years is New Mexico in 2010. 30-5 with a SOS of 99. 3 Seed.

[ABC]

Realtime RPI has WSU's SOS as 68: http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_303_Men.html

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Pomeroy has it at 139

http://kenpom.com/index.php?y=2014

[ROOT ANGRY!]

2013 SOS
1 Seeds – 9, 17, 39, 86
2 Seeds – 6, 8, 18, 37
3 Seeds – 1, 13, 23, 40

2012 SOS
1 Seeds – 2, 25, 28, 35
2 Seeds – 1, 5, 22, 60
3 Seeds – 14, 19, 20, 30

2011 SOS
1 Seeds – 22, 28, 35, 39
2 Seeds – 8, 21, 34, 36
3 Seeds – 5, 14, 19, 45

2010 SOS
1 Seeds – 4, 16, 41, 53
2 Seeds – 1, 2, 13, 55
3 Seeds – 3, 9, 36, 99

WSU currently sits at 139. A very unique case for being a top 3 seed. Only comparable in last 4 years is New Mexico in 2010. 30-5 with a SOS of 99. 3 Seed.

i'm assuming those are overall SOSs, jamar. obviously our overall SOS will take a hit this year with the valley being down. how do the noncon SOSs compare?

[kochHead]

I thought our SOS was in the 60's or 70's? You show double that. What site are you using?

NM

[ShockerEngr]

The Valley is really killing us this year for SOS and top 100 wins...we may only get 4 chances for top 100 wins out of the valley this year, and no chances for top 50 wins (for conference play)...and that's assuming UNI and ISUb hold up.

[shocker3]

Pomeroy uses his own system. Real time tries to duplicate the RPI SOS that the committee uses.

[pie n eye]

IMO, they should weight non conference SOS higher than conference since those are the games you choose to play.

[ABC]

Pomeroy has it at 139

http://kenpom.com/index.php?y=2014

And realtime has it at 68, and ESPN has it at 77

[kochHead]

I say we use realtime, cuz it is lower...

[shocker3]

Warren Nolan lists our non-conference SOS at 59 and our overall SOS at 71 (very close to the real time numbers).

[jdmee]

RPIFORECAST projects us with 2 loses, an SOS of 107 and an OOC SOS of 44.

[RoyalShock]

IMO, they should weight non conference SOS higher than conference since those are the games you choose to play.

I believe the selection committee has been doing just that in recent years, as several power-conference teams have received lower-than-expected seeds because they played soft non-con schedules.

I don't think our schedule is going to hurt us too much because it is evident that Marshall tried to upgrade the schedule, getting 2 of the expected top 4 SEC teams and the defending A-10 champion.

[Play Angry]

Our current SoS is deceiving too, though. RPIForecast projects us to finish with an SoS of 107. WarrenNolan projects a final SoS of 108.

Basically, our next 6 games remain challenging from a statistical standpoint. The final 6 games make Charmin look like sandpaper.



I would imagine it would be very hard to find a comparable situation to ours. UNLV in 1990 and 1991 are probably the most similar data points, but that was before the 2004 tweaks to the formula and I do not see SoS numbers anywhere (RPI only).