Big-Time Props to B.Y.U!!!

[ABC]

Where might I view a video replay of the flagrant foul?

[RoyalShock]

You should watch the friggin tape

I watched the friggin replay 10 times during the live broadcast. I know a proper box-out when I see one. And based on Austin's 12 rebounds, and 9.4/game average, he knows how to find the closest opposing player and box out. I wish we had a guy who could rebound like him.

[WuDrWu]

I knew it was on when Carlino made the opening three and threw up the 'shoosh' sign to his lips. BYU was scrappy, good for them.

Why do you even bother at this point? This is your only post tournament thought? Even if you are trolling, and that's all you've been doing since day 1 (and I DON'T believe that btw) it's a poor attempt. I know you can do better. If not, then I just don't understand. Why are you even a fan, as you say you are? You never enjoy anything. Nothing is ever good enough for you....so I ask again, why?

[rjl]

Why do you even bother at this point? This is your only post tournament thought? Even if you are trolling, and that's all you've been doing since day 1 (and I DON'T believe that btw) it's a poor attempt. I know you can do better. If not, then I just don't understand. Why are you even a fan, as you say you are? You never enjoy anything. Nothing is ever good enough for you....so I ask again, why?

Why do you care what he thinks? Is only groupthought allowed here?

I don't agree with him a lot of the time but I'm willing to just let that water run down the stream.

[ABC]

I do not have a lot of knowledge of LDS but their name is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" is the official name of the religion commonly called the Mormon Church. That would seem to fit into some category of "Christian". You may not agree but why try to argue the point in a basketball discussion?

There is an interesting branch of LDS called "Jack Mormon"

Why do you always take two Mormons fishing with you? If you take one, he'll drink all of the beer.

[engrshock]

I watched the friggin replay 10 times during the live broadcast. I know a proper box-out when I see one. And based on Austin's 12 rebounds, and 9.4/game average, he knows how to find the closest opposing player and box out. I wish we had a guy who could rebound like him.

A proper box out does not require an elbow to be thrown. You might use your arm to keep the guy behind you but blocking out is about using your feet, body and arms to keep yourself between that player and the ball. At no time is it required to throw your elbow.

[ShockerFever]

LDS is not Christian...

Then who the hell is Jesus Christ to them?

You get my point though.

[ShockerFever]

I knew it was on when Carlino made the opening three and threw up the 'shoosh' sign to his lips. BYU was scrappy, good for them.

Problem is his ass got shooshed the rest of the way.

[WuDrWu]

Why do you care what he thinks? Is only groupthought allowed here?

Why do you care why I care, but give KC a pass? Perhaps you just don't like my baseline? Actually, I am certain you don't but anyway, you see where I'm going.

[ABC]

Why do you care why I care, but give KC a pass? Perhaps you just don't like my baseline? Actually, I am certain you don't but anyway, you see where I'm going.

Yep.

Yes, this is just an internet message board but KC Shox's shtick is fatiguing.

[Dave Stalwart]

Just my two cents. Its a word game. If you define a Christian as someone who follows the teachings of the actual Jesus Christ, they are not. If you define it as someone who uses his name in their religion, they are.

[RoyalShock]

A proper box out does not require an elbow to be thrown. You might use your arm to keep the guy behind you but blocking out is about using your feet, body and arms to keep yourself between that player and the ball. At no time is it required to throw your elbow.

Find opposing player, body him up, set your feet, bend your knees, elbows out, hands up. Take up the space. That's exactly what he did. That's how I've coached both my son's youth teams to box out. He wasn't quite quick enough and it resulted in collision. It happens. If I'm Austin's coach I tell him he did everything right except anticipating that he might not be able to beat a quick guard to a particular spot on the floor, and if you don't, better keep those elbows in or you'll get dinged by the new rules.

I know I'm harping on this topic, but I've been greatly disappointed by the lack of fundamentals displayed in college basketball over the last decade or more. So when I see someone do it right - in this case boxing out for a rebound - I'm going to point it out. The guy got hit with a flagrant due to unfortunate timing, a size difference and not being able to avoid the contact when given a fraction of a second to react. That doesn't make him a thug.

I wonder how many here would condemn Chadrack if that had been him boxing out Haws?

It's a bad sign when you start hearing things like "he does the little things that don't show up in the box score". Those little things are the fundamentals and passion that make someone a complete player.

[shockmonster]

Some of you must not have been taught how to properly box out on a rebound nor have ever lost your balance and fallen backward with nothing in front of you to grab on to.

I know it's been awhile, but there was a time when that play wouldn't have even been called a foul, let alone a flagrant. Why? Because Ron came in from an angle beside and behind to try and get in front of Austin. Due to the size difference, Baker got hit in the head instead of the shoulders/chest. It would have been considered "incidental" back in the 80s when I played. I know because I hit the deck a few times from crashing the boards and taking an elbow. That was just part of the game. Just like we were taught to secure a rebound, bring the ball to your chest, extend the elbows and clear space. That was your space and if a defender got into it and took an elbow to the face, that was his problem.

The point is, just because it's flagrant according to the rules now (contact above the shoulders), doesn't mean it was malicious. And you can't use the fact he was ejected to support your argument because intent has nothing to do with the rule. The refs concluded the contact was "excessive", which warranted the flagrant 2.

Mr. RS. If you were taught right, you were taught to "get wide or spread out", not to swing and THROW your elbows".

[SpanglerFan316]

I've liked BYU since Danny Ainge beat Notre Dame back in, I can't remember, 1847?

1776. What do you think started the Revolution?

[I_Vector_Wu]

Note to self: Choose teammates wisely in the Annual SN Pickup Games :peaceful:

Off topic but Happy Thanksgiving to all you Shocker fans out there!