Today's Omaha newspaper says Creighton is going to Big East

[ShockerFever]

Wow, what an isolated outpost.

DePaul version 2.0.

[ShockerPrez]

There is one reason that I want CU to succeed.

If they fail miserably, it will be a de facto indictment on the strength of their former conference.

ie, a big 'See, the Valley ain't that good. CU was the class and they can't hang with real teams.' Sort of crap.

[SB Shock]

There is one reason that I want CU to succeed.

If they fail miserably, it will be a de facto indictment on the strength of their former conference.

ie, a big 'See, the Valley ain't that good. CU was the class and they can't hang with real teams.' Sort of crap.

I disagree. MVC is and will be judged on what they do in non-conference play (especially exempt tourny) and what they do with the opportunities in post-season play. What the MVC really needs is a flagship team that plays at high level every year and are in national conversation. CU has been that team lately (previously it was SIU) - WSU is now poised to be that team - not because CU has left, but because Marshall is filling the talent pipeline so this program can reload every year.

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

They get to play and beat up on the Providences/Seton Halls/Depauls/Saint Louis of the conference. They wont be the Evansville/Drake just based on that... But also lets be real... How many of our (MVC) wins have come at the expense of top tier BCS opponents? we've all said from time to time that our school or creighton would finish middle to top of the back in the Big East as it is now.

Like @Rosewood: said They arent going to magically start getting 5 star top 50/100 recruits OUTSIDE of this area. Would it be fair to say that recruiting between us and them is going to heat up? Hypothetically say there is a top 100 recruit in Oklahoma or KC. I think Marshall is the better recruiter overall (seriously) but Creighton would have that big conference appeal.

[ripemupshocks]

I hate sCUm so view all comments through that lens

* I really really hope this falls through like Missouri to the Big 10. Not because I care if CU stays or goes but because those sweet delicious tears.
* We need to stop saying they are going to the Big East. They are going to the new league that purchased the Big East name. The two teams playing for the Big East title right now are gone next year.
* Schools that have already made these long distance conference moves are ALREADY feeling the squeeze and they had stupid football money. The TV contract for this new Big East is laughable. The share of the basketball contract is not going to be enough to fly their other teams everywhere.
* This idea that all of the sudden recruits are going to say "Oh ... Omaha! I've never heard of that before. But they are in the Big East so I want to go there!!!" is laughable. CU is going to get the exact same players that they were going to get in the MVC. No kid in NYC is going "Well, I was going to play for St. John's but that Creighton team looks interesting with their low power offense."
* CU will do fine if golden boy is there next year but after that there is no way they are going to be looked at as an equal in this new big east. There is a reason they are an also invite...

The answer to so many of these predictions won't be made available for years. In the internet era / ESPN 24/7 coverage era / I want it now era that will be hard to take. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong and CU rides off in the Big East sunset. But if I'm right, lol. lololol. lol.

*I understand that's a result of your hatred for the Cretins. And that's fine.

*We do NOT need to stop saying they are going to the Big East, because that's where the they're going. That's the name of the conference. To say the C-7 had to purchase the BigE name is to take a very one-sided view of negotiations. As you're aware, four of the C-7 are four of the seven founding members of the BigE, with Villanova joining one year later. Founding member BC chose to join a different conference. Founding member Syracuse chose to join a different conference. When four of the remaining five founding members, along with Villanova, chose to take back their basketball conference, which had been all but distroyed by the greed of BCS Football, that left just UConn as the only founding member in the BigE. So you could say the remaining members didn't really care to keep the BigE name because it no longer applied. You could say word is when all these new members from CUSA takeover the conference and gain voting rights, they plan to dump the BigE name. You could even say that because the remaining members are still burdened by that rathole that is known as BCS Football, they were eager to give up the BigE name to the C-7 in exchange for the C-7 giving up some exit fees of past members and entrance fees of new members, so that the remaining members would have that much more money to throw down their BCS Football ratholes.

The two teams that played for the BigE title:
Syracuse - BigE turncoat and carpetbagger.
Louisville - BigE Johnny-come-lately. Conference hopping b*****d.
They both contributed to the destruction of the BigE.

*Which schools. The only one I've heard complain is WVU. And that has nothing to do with distance and everything to do with a $20,000,000.00 exit fee from the BigE, and as a new member receiving $0 from the B12. But they knew that was coming. And that move is still a head scratcher as they would've been alot better off financialy in the SEC.

As far as Cretins share of the TV contract money not being enough to cover all travel expenses for all teams, I don't know. Cretin basketball is already profitable, so if they throw another three to four million on the pile, maybe they can. Maybe they don't put all of their non-revenue producing sports into the BigE. Who knows.

*Don't know if they'll get any kids from NYC. But believe it or not, there are great basketball players from places other than NYC. In fact, I think there might be some pretty good basketball players in the Central, Mountain and Pacific Time Zones who might like the idea of playing in the BigE and being on national TV every weekend and not having to move to east coast to do it. I'm not saying the Cretins are suddenly going to be swamped by 5* players, but this move will get them in on some 4* players that are also being recruited by PAC12, MWC and BIG12 teams. And they will sign some.

*Post SoW, we might wish we were there with them.

You're right. It will take a number of years to see if the Cretins will be successful long term in the BigE. I think they'll be OK. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But if I'm right, I WON'T lol. Because It's not that big a deal.

[pinstripers]

Again, you cannot bring in one team to adequately replace Kraytun. But if you dump Evansville (and Drake) you can bring in replacement teams that will strengthen the overall profile of the Valley.

[SubGod22]

Nobody is getting dumped. That would be insanely difficult to do unless someone did something horrible. And sadly, refusing to invest to compete at a national level isn't considered horrible

[Veritas]

Wichita State's answer to the NBE (new big east), is the Mountain West. I don't agree with some of Shatel's comments, but I do like his DuFrense comment about "Get busy living, or get busy dying." I think ADES should post that quote in a prominent place in his office.

http://www.omaha.com/article/20130316/BLUEJAYS/703169887/1070#shatel-creighton-goes-from-mid-to-major

The NBE will be a competitive league, but to compare them to B1G, ACC, Big XII is a bit silly. It's definitely a jump up for CU from the MoVal, but it is not without risk. I'm not even convinced if the NBE will be tougher than the MWC.

Would you want WSU to accept an offer from the MWC regardless of future league instability, travel costs, no geographic rivalry, and travel costs? Think back to Tulsa and their move to the Metro Conference (or CUSA). Tulsa has bounced around quite a bit the past 10-15 years. You have to admit the MoVal is pretty stable, and there are some natural geograpahic rivalries with MoS-U, and potentially with ORU. The MoVal is not deserving of WSU, but it is a lot better than the West Coast Conference, and Gonzaga has done pretty well there.

[MoValley John]

Wichita State's answer to the NBE (new big east), is the Mountain West. I don't agree with some of Shatel's comments, but I do like his DuFrense comment about "Get busy living, or get busy dying." I think ADES should post that quote in a prominent place in his office.

http://www.omaha.com/article/20130316/BLUEJAYS/703169887/1070#shatel-creighton-goes-from-mid-to-major

The NBE will be a competitive league, but to compare them to B1G, ACC, Big XII is a bit silly. It's definitely a jump up for CU from the MoVal, but it is not without risk. I'm not even convinced if the NBE will be tougher than the MWC.

Would you want WSU to accept an offer from the MWC regardless of future league instability, travel costs, no geographic rivalry, and travel costs? Think back to Tulsa and their move to the Metro Conference (or CUSA). Tulsa has bounced around quite a bit the past 10-15 years. You have to admit the MoVal is pretty stable, and there are some natural geograpahic rivalries with MoS-U, and potentially with ORU. The MoVal is not deserving of WSU, but it is a lot better than the West Coast Conference, and Gonzaga has done pretty well there.

First off, Shatel is a hack. And a weak hack at that. He is Omaha's version of Lutz. So take that for what it's worth. That said, you can't ever bad mouth a guy when he quotes Shawshank Redemption, so I kind of committed a party foul. Then again, Shatel is a hack.

[1972Shocker]

The MoVal is not deserving of WSU, but it is a lot better than the West Coast Conference, and Gonzaga has done pretty well there.

What is that statement based on? WSU certainly has never dominated the MoVal in men's basketall for any extended period. The only sport we have dominated in over a long period of time has been baseall and those days appear to be behind us. Unfortunately, it took us a long period of time to dig out of the financial hole left by our football program. We now seem to have found our stride again and seem to be on an upswing which clearly coincides with the Roundhouse Rennaissance. Yes, the MoVal is very lucky to have Wichita Sate, however, their really is no basis to say the MoVal is not deserving of Wichita State. Now if we win 8 consecutive Men's basketball championships and continue to pull in All-Sports trophies I am on board with you.

Yes, the MoVal needs a decent replacement for Creighton. More importantly we need the remaining member institutions to decide if they want to be fully committed to D-1 athletics, with No. 1 being a commitment to basketball. My concern is that so many of these schools seem to be having financial difficulty. If schools like UNI, SIU and MSU need to dump football in order be able to properly fund basketball and their other sports than that is what they should do. The MoVal may very well be much better off as a non-football conference along the lines of the C-7. If they want football let them have non-scholarship Patriot league programs like Drake. Other than that focus on becoming the best basketball conference you can be. If any of the current institutions are not up to making the commitment than work on replacing them with an institution who is willling to commitment.

[Veritas]

What is that statement based on? WSU certainly has never dominated the MoVal in men's basketall for any extended period. The only sport we have dominated in over a long period of time has been baseall and those days appear to be behind us. Unfortunately, it took us a long period of time to dig out of the financial hole left by our football program. We now seem to have found our stride again and seem to be on an upswing which clearly coincides with the Roundhouse Rennaissance. Yes, the MoVal is very lucky to have Wichita Sate, however, their really is no basis to say the MoVal is not deserving of Wichita State. Now if we win 8 consecutive Men's basketball championships and continue to pull in All-Sports trophies I am on board with you.

Yes, the MoVal needs a decent replacement for Creighton. More importantly we need the remaining member institutions to decide if they want to be fully committed to D-1 athletics, with No. 1 being a commitment to basketball. My concern is that so many of these schools seem to be having financial difficulty. If schools like UNI, SIU and MSU need to dump football in order be able to properly fund basketball and their other sports than that is what they should do. The MoVal may very well be much better off as a non-football conference along the lines of the C-7. If they want football let them have non-scholarship Patriot league programs like Drake. Other than that focus on becoming the best basketball conference you can be. If any of the current institutions are not up to making the commitment than work on replacing them with an institution who is willling to commitment.

You're asking why I believe the MoVal is not deserving of WSU? Off the top of my head...
-- On campus facilities second to none
-- Athletic budget second to none
-- All-Sport Championships second to none
-- National storied baseball program second to none
-- Only national championship in the conference
-- Conference recruiting (other teams use WSU and CU as conference teams and incredible environements they'll compete against. WSU uses UE, DU, etc...)
-- Top notch basketball environment

[calfan]

I just want to add my sentiments to wishing Creighton all the best. I'm not going to pretend to know how bad or well they will do in the new conference.
I respect the level of basketball that they have brought to the MVC and they will be missed.

[1972Shocker]

You're asking why I believe the MoVal is not deserving of WSU? Off the top of my head...
-- On campus facilities second to none
-- Athletic budget second to none
-- All-Sport Championships second to none
-- National storied baseball program second to none
-- Only national championship in the conference
-- Conference recruiting (other teams use WSU and CU as conference teams and incredible environements they'll compete against. WSU uses UE, DU, etc...)
-- Top notch basketball environment

Ok the 1st four items are "second to none" not substantially better than all other, although we are getting close in All-Sports Trophies. The problem with that is not very many people follow or support most of those sports. Heck we just won our 1st ever MoVal Championship in Women's basketball (not that many really care). The bottom line though is not All-Sports Trophies (which I want to do) but dominating the Bell Cow sport of Wichita State and the MoVal and that is men's basketball, which we have not done. As far as facilities goes that was definitely not the case until the Roundhouse Rennaissance. As to where exactly we fit into overall facilities at this point I will have to defer to you because I have not visited and inspected the faciliites at all the other MoVal schools but I have no doubt we are as good as any and better than most.

National storied baseball program 2nd to none. LOL. Are we talking the present. We are now just another MoVal program. Yes we have the best baseball facilities. But they had to use some accounting sleight of hand to get the IPF built and they were unable to raise the funds to do Phase II of the Building For Excellence program. But as far as the product on the field, it is nothing special anymore. As far as our 24 year old National Championship in baseball. Not relevant to the here and now in terms of being the dominant program.

Yes, we have a top-notch basketball environment but that has not equated to sustained basketball dominance in any way shape or form.

Again the MoVal is very lucky to have us and that is what you have established. But to say we are too good for the MoVal is very KU-ish execpt that at least in basketball they have the hardware, titles and NCAA resume to at least back up some of their arrogance.

Maybe we will be able to say we are too good for the MoVal at some point in the future but we certainly have not established that kind of dominance at this point in time.