Clenthony Early interview

[C0|dB|00ded]

Spammer1,

Click on the following link. Perhaps it will help settle the issue for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0

T


...:cool:

[Kung Wu]

Actually that's not true at all, it does not mean you are inferior. In reality, the term mid-major is nothing more than a classification just like the difference between the Missouri Valley, Horizon, Big East, and Ohio Valley are classifications. Rebelling against the term mid-major would be like rebelling against the term Missouri Valley , just because you're one of the best in the Missouri Valley doesn't mean you're automatically part of the Big Ten, that's not how it works. Being a mid-major simply notes that the school is slightly smaller and may not have the same funding/history as other programs (however there are several exceptions, which I don't need to name)... instead of fighting divisions/classifications you should embrace them, instead of being just another team, Wichita State is instead now is known as one of the best mid-major programs

Thanks. Now embrace your classification of "idiot spammer". C'mon, don't fight it, embrace it -- you're now known as one of the best idiot spammers.

[Baller1]

You guys are funny... we all know Wichita State is a major program... but they are a mid-major and that's that (that's why the story is on a professional website called "scouting the mid-majors
"). As for being a spammer, I don't know how that is possible since I am providing an article to fellow fans who might also enjoy it (while you're looking up the definition of mid-major, look up spammer as well you could learn a few things)


you all are trippin


Anyways, this story is awesome... read it

[RoyalShock]

@Baller1:, a few things . . .

- The issue of "mid-major" has been discussed here ad-nauseum. You're not going to influence any of our positions on it's application.

- It is an arbitrary term with arbitrary threshholds for applying it. To say WSU being mid-major is a fact is based only on your accepted definition, which again, is arbitrary.

- Your argument is disingenuous at best. It's fairly clear you didn't "find" the article on Early as you claimed, but rather authored it or at least are associated with the site you linked. And that surely didn't win you any friends. Since your site's focus is "mid-major", you have an interest in pushing its acceptance, an agenda, per se.

That said, thanks for giving Cleanthony a little attention. But in the future, rather than come in with "hey, look what I found", be up-front about it and say, "I wrote a piece about one of your players, Cleanthony Early, on my website and thought I'd pass it along."

[Baller1]

Look dude... I'm a Wichita State fan
. I've got nothing to do with this website. All I did was follow it on twitter and I thought I would share the story. You don't have to be so hostile about it... and if I were you, I would stop making accusations that you can't back up

[jocoshock]

dear cold,

by definition,Wichita State is in fact a mid-major. They might not play like one, but by definition they are... there, you've been warned

Don't go there... simply warn readers in the title that your post contains the "M" word. Those who don't like seeing or hearing the word can and should avoid your post...

Thanks for posting the link. Good information about the Shockers is always appreciated!!

[Shockeriffic]

Your definition of mid-major isn't even commonly accepted since the MWC and A-10 are not BCS but are never called mid-major. If you look at the conference RPI over the last few years, you'll see that the MVC is much closer to the A-10 than the Horizon or Ohio Valley. Until you get everyone to call them mid-major don't come here and call us mid-major.

[RoyalShock]

Look dude... I'm a Wichita State fan
. I've got nothing to do with this website. All I did was follow it on twitter and I thought I would share the story. You don't have to be so hostile about it... and if I were you, I would stop making accusations that you can't back up

1. You signed up here today, the same day the linked article was posted.

2. Your account name is generic, as opposed to WSU-specific.

3. You vehemently defend the purpose of the site (mid-major basketball and it's application to WSU) to those who dislike having the term applied to them. That makes it appear as though you have a vested interest in others accepting your viewpoint.

4. You continue to say how great the article is, when in reality its just OK compared to the many others that have been written about Early, which we would presume a WSU fan would be familiar with.

If you are indeed a WSU fan then please accept my apology. But given the evidence, I think you can understand why you might be perceived as a spammer.

[Baller1]

A few things:


1. To the previous post: I am not comparing the Missouri Valley to any other conference, so I don't understand what you are talking about saying that Wichita State is closer to Atlantic 10 as opposed to horizon, I completely agree but don't see the relevance... also, you keep saying "us" but I am one of the supposed "us" so don't insult one of your own


2. Furthermore, I'm glad we all had this debate. While the term "mid-major" is currently in use, I think everyone can see the flaws of using it. However, it is in fact the current preferred term. Mid-major is the same as saying non-BCS or the same as saying the Missouri Valley or Atlantic 10, so I don't know why everyone is getting so offended. Obviously your insecure about our Wichita State team, but you shouldn't be. Just because it's called one thing does not mean it is inferior, obviously on the national stage we have proved how worthy our team is... it's just a grouping... so relax


3. Thanks again for the debate... it was definitely an interesting argument


4. Most of all, I think we should be talking about how one of our players has been recognized nationally with an interview story... not about any significant classification discrepancies

[1979Shocker]

The term BCS is going away.

[ShockTalk]

Spammer1,

You can plead all you want. We are not going to "embrace" the mid-major label. You need to become educated on the issue.

1) We pay our coach a major salary (1.6M)

2) We recruit and sign major players

3) We have major facilities

4) We have major attendance

5) We have a major athletic budget (chartered flights, private jets, etc.)


You are alone on this issue now go away and spam Evansville's message board. They will be glad to embrace the term with you.


T


...:cool:

Your shtick is getting very old Cold. Anyone or group can call themselves whatever they want, but it doesn't mean jack squat without results. You can live in your own little dream world, but that doesn't make it real.

You, and others, may not care about what most others think or believe and that's fine. Just don't expect a lot of respect from them either without the bottom line to earn it (see Gonzaga, Butler, VCU, Xavier).

Are the points you bring up important? Absolutely!! Probably won't become a "major player", (not just a major pretender), without them.

However, what have they added up to so far? 2 NCAA appearances in the last 20+ years (even 2 in the last 7 years is not enough), an NIT championship (well I'm sure you know what others, even some here think of it's stature), 2 MVC regular season championships in the last 25+ years (and yes, 2 in the last 7 is not enough in a 1 to 2 bid conference), and NO Valley tournament championships in 25 years, (I know you don't care about them, but winning one once in awhile gets you to the Dance). Even our little non-con tournament victory was overshadowed by Indiana St's efforts in their better tourney.

You can throw money at it all day and all night. You can recruit players like we haven't seen in 25 years. You can have the most loyal and rabid fans around. But at the end of the day, it still comes down to results, my friend.

[shock]

Can you please quit messing with the default font? Some of us aren't on a computer and your constant changing of the font is annoying

[Rocky Mountain Shock]

You can throw money at it all day and all night. You can recruit players like we haven't seen in 25 years. You can have the most loyal and rabid fans around. But at the end of the day, it still comes down to results, my friend

Then why the hell are programs like Nebraska, DePaul, Texas Tech, Ole Miss, Auburn, etc, considered "major"? Conference affiliation only, that's why, because they certainly don't have the results that you speak of. This is why conference affiliation SHOULD NOT be the determining factor of what makes a team "mid-major."

I'm OK with basing the term "blue bloods" on results. But let's not for a minute start thinking DePaul is a major program because every year they win a lot of games and go to the tournament, because, well, they don't. If we're "mid-major" because of our lack of results, then so are a whole bunch of BCS programs.

[C0|dB|00ded]

Your shtick is getting very old Cold.

Just now it's getting old? I've been carrying it around here for at least 15 years... thanks for being patient.

But at the end of the day, it still comes down to results, my friend.

Now it doesn't. A major program is loosely defined by its major attributes - conference affiliation being a major one. 75% of the major programs in the NCAA have done no more than we have in the tournament. This idea that we have to do exactly what Gonzaga does is someone's late-night pet theory.

Someone at some time arbitrarily claimed that for a non-BCS school to be considered a major program, they needed to pass some artificial bar of on court excellence. That is a double standard. 75% of the BCS schools haven't done squat in the NCAA tournament over the last 20 years. The overall operation of a basketball school is the best indicator of major or mid-major status. It just so happens that 99.9995% of all non-BCS schools are mid-majors for one simple reason - $$$. We are the exception to that rule.

NIU can go to a Sweet 16 every other year and they will still be a mid-major at the end of the day.

We can not go for another decade and we will still be a major program.


T


...:cool:

[ShockerPrez]

You guys are funny... we all know Wichita State is a major program... but they are a mid-major and that's that (that's why the story is on a professional website called "scouting the mid-majors
"). As for being a spammer, I don't know how that is possible since I am providing an article to fellow fans who might also enjoy it (while you're looking up the definition of mid-major, look up spammer as well you could learn a few things)


you all are trippin


Anyways, this story is awesome... read it

No, Greg. You're the phony. But thanks for the lemonade.