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    I've had some things rolling around in my head for months and now I'm going to dump them. Some may be untimely or unpopular.


    1) Armstead is a beast and has helped us win a lot of games we wouldn't have won this year. Remove Armstead from our roster and we never sniff the top 25 this year. However, depending on the type of team we are playing, FVV should have games were he gets a healthy share of the minutes.

    2) Had Carl Hall not come back, we would be 5-1 over the last six games. When beast went down our team changed for the better with regards to overall toughness and focus. Every player was chipping in. When beast came back, we slowly regressed to a point where the overall team is less effective than it has been since the start of the season. I also think Beast's return has hampered Early's growth. These are just observations, any sane person brings Beast back the moment he is ready. The impact on the team has just been unfortunate.

    3) Gregg Marshall is worth exactly what he was worth a month ago (which is more than he is currently paid). His coaching philosophy is the same today as it was when we were 19-2. Anybody questioning HCGM at this point does nothing to help the team. HCGM has the eternal green light when it comes to Shocker hoops.

    4) I have held my tongue over the last couple months when everybody continued to chant, "down three starters." Some of the players that started at the beginning of the year would not be starting now. Cotton took the starting spot of Wessel or Baker a long time ago. DWill also brings a defensive and athletic presence that I doubt Wessel or Baker could replace. Now, had Baker been shooting lights out (like I saw him in the summer) before he went down, I may have a different opinion.

    5) EO has never been the same since he went down against Iowa in Cancun. He has so much potential, but he is only half a man now. They need to try something radical to get him healthy for the end of the season - which includes sitting him for some games. We need a healthy EO in the NCAA Tournament.

    6) I have watched teams all year expertly get the ball to their post players against us. Why have we been so bad at it this year? It reminds me of the Shocker baseball team and bunting. Every time we go down the floor either Early, Beast, White, or EO should touch the ball and make the defense move. If Wiggins is open, Beast should kick it out and Wiggins should shoot. EVERY TIME DOWN THE FLOOR. We have a significant advantage over the entire Valley with respect to post players. A shot close to the basket is the highest percentage shot a player can take, it is also the highest percentage shot that draws a foul. I don't mind losing a game, but it better include Carl taking at least a dozen shots down low. Do you know that Beast only took 6 shots last night? He should have had double that. When we downed the BJ, Carl took 15 shots (he was 8 for 15). And that was against the only other front court in the MVC that can challenge us. Now how do we go into SIU, playing the 7 dwarfs, and Carl only gets 6 shots...........?

    The thoughts I have just posted occurred to me long before our current losing streak. I realize that college basketball is played by very young men who have not yet learned how to deal with success and failure in life. It is the coaches job to keep encouraging them so they can play their best. We are 19-5 and most likely going to the Dance. We have the same weapons we've had all year. We just have a bunch of players that have yet to learn how to deal with success. Now that they are getting a taste of failure, hopefully they can become more focused and keep their head down until the end of the season. I agree that national rankings are hurting this team. Right now they are playing nowhere near their potential. Good times are still ahead of us... this year.


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  • #2
    I'm not for sure about #2 as it's a who knows? thing but the rest I agree with. A lot of Carl's points against Creighton were put backs off of his 6 offensive rebounds. He had two offensive rebounds last night and since teams began sagging us we are not getting second chance points, which has really hurt.
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    • #3
      Disagree pretty strongly with points 1 and 4. Armstead may have helped us in a few games, but he also has undoubtedly hurt us in a few more. That's basically a wash now. That would put him at average or mediocre. Not a strong suit and not a winning equation in college basketball to have just an average point guard. As regards to 4, D-Will is not a lockdown defender. He got blown by several times last night, including a freshman in the final minute that gave SIU an easy game-tying layup. He is starting to ring in on the "selfish meter" and either tries too much or is simply ignoring other team options. His BBIQ has not been sharp in a while. He will score some points on a given night, but not at the expense of turning the ball over, taking a dumbass shot, or simply ignoring anybody not named Armstead on the wing.

      I do agree strongly with #6. And that is a direct reflection of points 1 and 4. We have an obvious advantage inside. There are tons of times where a quick pass before the defense gets set would be automatic layups for CH or CE. Time and time again, the guards are slowly dribbling the ball up or just simply won't pass inside. They play "keep away" on the wings. Not smart. The inside-outside combo is a much better alternative, especially when Wiggins gets involved. I can't believe that hasn't happened much. Joe Ragland knew what he was doing.
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      • #4
        When the ball has gone inside and there is a kick out, it has recently been way out, not to anybody in a position for an open shot.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by ShockerFever View Post
          Disagree pretty strongly with points 1 and 4. Armstead may have helped us in a few games, but he also has undoubtedly hurt us in a few more. That's basically a wash now. That would put him at average or mediocre. Not a strong suit and not a winning equation in college basketball to have just an average point guard. As regards to 4, D-Will is not a lockdown defender. He got blown by several times last night, including a freshman in the final minute that gave SIU an easy game-tying layup. He is starting to ring in on the "selfish meter" and either tries too much or is simply ignoring other team options. His BBIQ has not been sharp in a while. He will score some points on a given night, but not at the expense of turning the ball over, taking a dumbass shot, or simply ignoring anybody not named Armstead on the wing.

          I do agree strongly with #6. And that is a direct reflection of points 1 and 4. We have an obvious advantage inside. There are tons of times where a quick pass before the defense gets set would be automatic layups for CH or CE. Time and time again, the guards are slowly dribbling the ball up or just simply won't pass inside. They play "keep away" on the wings. Not smart. The inside-outside combo is a much better alternative, especially when Wiggins gets involved. I can't believe that hasn't happened much. Joe Ragland knew what he was doing.
          When you take a look at our team's entire body of work this season, Armstead has had a strong hand in our success. He is a similar player to DWill with regards to penetration, but is more effective and a better ball handler IMO. Armstead - like any player - will have his ups and downs over the course of a season, but he is a winner. Part of the reason he got those T's is because he is so intense - like a winner.


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          • #6
            Mal had his down and Fred had a good game last night. I would of been tempted to go with Fred last night to close out the game. However I don't don't agree with the dump Armstead talk.
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            • #7
              I don't think anybody is really saying to dump him. I know some posts have mentioned it but that's more frustration than anything. But I still believe he should play fewer minutes and FVV more.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by C0|dB|00ded View Post
                When you take a look at our team's entire body of work this season, Armstead has had a strong hand in our success. He is a similar player to DWill with regards to penetration, but is more effective and a better ball handler IMO. Armstead - like any player - will have his ups and downs over the course of a season, but he is a winner. Part of the reason he got those T's is because he is so intense - like a winner.


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                So you are ok with him taking the inbounds pass and dribbling down the court and jacking up a three with no regard to the offense?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by GOSHOX1 View Post
                  So you are ok with him taking the inbounds pass and dribbling down the court and jacking up a three with no regard to the offense?
                  I must have missed that play because I don't remember it happening last night.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Shockeriffic View Post
                    I must have missed that play because I don't remember it happening last night.
                    Try and rewatch the last couple of games and you will see it, guaranteed! I don't have time and date stamps for you but if you watch them you will see it. I know he did it last night and in the Uni game.
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                    • #11
                      I would have to say there's not a thing you said I disagree with...pretty on target....

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                      • #12
                        Wow. I thought EO was all-conference while Carl was out.

                        Baker and Wessel would still be starting.

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                        • #13
                          About Ron & Evan:

                          Based on the 8 and 10 games, respectively, Wessell and Baker were well-rounded. They could play offense, defense, rebound, get loose balls, and protect the basketball.

                          With Wiggins and Cotton we are choosing to be good at offense or defense/toughness. I believe Wiggins is better than Baker and Wessell at offense. At the same time, Cotton is probably better than Ron and Evan at defense.

                          Those two guys are missing and whether they would still be starters or not isn't important. What is important is that we lost two guys that could guard the other team's best perimeter player and be dangerous on offense. It is one hell of a luxury to lose.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by C0|dB|00ded View Post
                            5) EO has never been the same since he went down against Iowa in Cancun. He has so much potential, but he is only half a man now. They need to try something radical to get him healthy for the end of the season - which includes sitting him for some games. We need a healthy EO in the NCAA Tournament.
                            Your kung wu is strong.

                            #5 is the only one that I hesitate on. I believe right now EO could go ape nuts on most opponents we throw at him. A sleeping giant if you will. I think Carl Hall's presence makes EO _worse_. I believe that for two reasons:

                            1) EO can "hide" a bit while the pressure is on Carl. I don't mean physically hiding, but he's not taking command of the ship when Carl is getting all the minutes. Oddly when Carl was out, EO's mindset was completely different.

                            2) EO is not getting the minutes he needs to get cranking any more. He's more like a soccer player that gets more and more into the game as it progresses, rather than a tag team wrestler that has to turn it on the show the minute he steps on the court.

                            Last night was a prime example of EO changing the entire course of the game. When we were down by 7 or 6, his presence on defense led to easy buckets for our offense that got us to back within one possession. And it happened fast and furiously. (FWIW - Cap'n Van Vleet also had that game changing presence last night)

                            And lastly, I never thought I'd be arguing more strongly in favor of EO than you are. We needed more of him last night.
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                            • #15
                              Cold thoughts.....I thought this was another Dofo thread about weather east of the turnpike.

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