Official Meltdown Thread

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

[Ricardo del Rio]

I will take that one step further and say I'm extremely disappointed. That being said this loss should make us work and prepare harder moving forward. We got hit in the chin tonight but it's time to start preparing for UNI.
We are definitely missing Ron Baker as his three point shooting ability would improve our ability to score against the zone.

Ray Allen or Reggie Miller would not have helped us in the last game. Outside shooters need a least a ray of daylight and none existed in the last game. The ball and foot movement left a lot to be desired.

I suppose that if Ray or Reggie were shooting from 3' beyond the line, the Shocks might have busted the zone.

[Ricardo del Rio]

Hence the reason why I think we got outcoached. We weren't prepared for anything different and while I like Marshall, he was completely owned by this quote

I agree in spades. The in game adjustment to the zone in the first half was non-existent to my eyes. I did not noticed much change in the second half. Of course, Indiana State alternated between man and zone in the second half.

I understand Coach Marshall's beliefs about time outs, but if there ever was a justification for calling one or more time outs in the first half, the Indiana State game was it. (I am excluding the customary time-out, which is near the end of the first half.)

During the post game interview, Coach Marshall tersely said to the effect, "I am going to evaluate the game tape very closely."

I thought Coach Lansing did a nice job of game planning.

Here is a quote for you from ESPN as follows:

"It's not that Indiana State coach Greg Lansing hates playing a zone defense. He's just certainly is not a big fan."It's not something I want to spend even 5 minutes on in practice," Lansing said.But the Sycamores did spend time on it this week, and the result was a 68-55 upset of No. 15 Wichita State on Tuesday night."

[Ricardo del Rio]

Here is a nice read about attacking a zone defense.

http://www.breakthroughbasketball.com/offense/3-zone-strategies.html

[engrshock]

Really??? You think the problem with that game was that the team did not try hard enough? That was not what I saw. What I saw was ISuB playing a zone defense that crushed in on any shots taken near the basket and that overplayed passing lanes. Many of their points after turnover came after turnovers from overplaying passes and skip passes around the perimeter. Most of out guards can drive but they all try to get a lay-up or 3-4 foot shot when an 8-10 foot pull-up shot would have been a better choice. I know they can make the longer pull-up shots but rarely even try them. In that game it would have been a better choice than to drive closer to the basket and launch a running fling at the basket. ISuB had guards that would drive in and then pull up for a short jumper over EO or Early or Hall. Hence they made more shots than we did.

[CBB_Fan]

Really??? You think the problem with that game was that the team did not try hard enough? That was not what I saw. What I saw was ISuB playing a zone defense that crushed in on any shots taken near the basket and that overplayed passing lanes. Many of their points after turnover came after turnovers from overplaying passes and skip passes around the perimeter. Most of out guards can drive but they all try to get a lay-up or 3-4 foot shot when an 8-10 foot pull-up shot would have been a better choice. I know they can make the longer pull-up shots but rarely even try them. In that game it would have been a better choice than to drive closer to the basket and launch a running fling at the basket. ISuB had guards that would drive in and then pull up for a short jumper over EO or Early or Hall. Hence they made more shots than we did.

We got beat to 50/50 balls, outrebounded, and spent very little energy trying to attack the zone. Yes, I'd say we were not playing hard enough (or at least, not hard enough where it counts). Effort isn't solely defined by having crashing the boards hard; it is also part of doing the little things right. Not letting your guy blow past you on defense, rotating quickly to help, passing the ball immediately instead of dribbling at the top of the key, and etc. are all tiny things we did not do.

[ShockerFever]

The effort level was poor at best.

[pinstripers]

exactly

[SHOXAAC]

Really??? You think the problem with that game was that the team did not try hard enough? That was not what I saw. What I saw was ISuB playing a zone defense that crushed in on any shots taken near the basket and that overplayed passing lanes. Many of their points after turnover came after turnovers from overplaying passes and skip passes around the perimeter. Most of out guards can drive but they all try to get a lay-up or 3-4 foot shot when an 8-10 foot pull-up shot would have been a better choice. I know they can make the longer pull-up shots but rarely even try them. In that game it would have been a better choice than to drive closer to the basket and launch a running fling at the basket. ISuB had guards that would drive in and then pull up for a short jumper over EO or Early or Hall. Hence they made more shots than we did.

I must have watched a different game. I did not see our guards over penetrate, but just the opposite. I would have loved for them to settle for a 10-footer, but instead they jacked up threes that were out of the natural flow of the offense. This was because our guards acted like they had never seen a zone before.

[Ricardo del Rio]

This was because our guards acted like they had never seen a zone before.

+1

[engrshock]

When our guards did penetrate they went in too far and did not have any success. Rather than keep trying this they resorted to 3's. At least the 3's that were taken were generally open shots rather than an off balance running fling of the ball toward the basket. All I am saying is that when our guards did penetrate I would rather see them pull up for a short jumper than try a much more contested off-balance shot.

[ShockerFever]

Were we watching the same game?

[engrshock]

I think so. You are just remembering the many 3 point shots. I have it recorded if you want to re-live it. I would still say I would rather see more 3 point shots than the crappy shots they took on drives. I would also suggest you watch how ISuB did have guys pull up on for short jump shots rather than a contested shot (that is when they did not have a clear path to the basket which also happened too much.)

[SB Shock]

WSU did shoot 31 shots inside the arc. They were 7 of 31 (22%).

The guards (MA, DW, FV, TC) where a combined 5 for 16 (31%) inside the arc

That means the bigs (Early, Orukpe, Wiggins Hall and White) only made 2 out 15 shots (13%)

This was either an aberration or this team is likely to go 0.500 the rest of the way.

[rialaigh]

Fact is we don't have a guard that is really "top10 or top15" team material. None of our guards can penetrate, split the double, spin around and put in a reverse layup. We just flat out won't have our guards drawing double teams to open people up much this year, I believe that will fall to hall and early.