MVC Coaches

[wu_shizzle]

I'm not looking this up, so correct me if I'm wrong. Folger came to WSU with a pretty good team already intact. He bolted to Vandy, leaving the cupboard bare at WSU & recommending Cohen. Vandy also had a good team in place and after using them up, bolted to USC. That's where he made his mistake ... he had to build a team there, became a .500 coach and retired young.

I think it's common knowledge that Eddie could coach better than he could recruit.

I'd throw Bruce Weber in there as well...

[Snapshot9]

So Hotel Paper, when exactly did Bruce Weber take Illinois to Championship game? Bill Self did that. You might be confusing Ohio State with Illinois.

[ABC]

I'm not looking this up, so correct me if I'm wrong. Folger came to WSU with a pretty good team already intact. He bolted to Vandy, leaving the cupboard bare at WSU & recommending Cohen. Vandy also had a good team in place and after using them up, bolted to USC. That's where he made his mistake ... he had to build a team there, became a .500 coach and retired young.

The team Fogler inheirited when he arrived was around .500 the year before.

Leaving WSU with John Cooper and Paul Guffrovich is hardly leaving the cupboard bare. The problem was with his replacment, Diamond Mike Cohen.

[Smooth007]

So Hotel Paper, when exactly did Bruce Weber take Illinois to Championship game? Bill Self did that. You might be confusing Ohio State with Illinois.

Bruce Webber took Illinois to the Championship game in his first year there with Bill Self's recruits.

[Snapshot9]

LOl ... The only 'Bruce' I have liked is Bruce Lee, and that leaves Webber and Pearl out!!!! :roll:

[60Shock]

You don't suppose because a lot of the coaches moving "up" from non-BCS schools are hired by the bottom BCS tier schools who have a long history of losing could be an influencing factor in this, do you?

There are naturally exceptions, MT being a prime example. And certainly some coaches succeed at schools similar to SCU, but the odds seem to be stacked against them.

[NCAABound]

You don't suppose because a lot of the coaches moving "up" from non-BCS schools are hired by the bottom BCS tier schools who have a long history of losing could be an influencing factor in this, do you?

There are naturally exceptions, MT being a prime example. And certainly some coaches succeed at schools similar to SCU, but the odds seem to be stacked against them.

That is a factor...but there are alot of examples of coaches who have elevated a program (Pearl, Gillispie, Scott Drew, etc.) It just seems the MVC coaches who have moved on haven't had much success. The jury is still out on whether MT will succeed at aTm.

It could be a total coincidence. Or it could be that MVC coaches don't fare better for a reason. Style of play, coaching pedigree or lineage, or ????. I'm not trying to play devils advocate, it just struck me last night watching Bruce Weber.

[Ricky Del Rio]

LOl ... The only 'Bruce' I have liked is Bruce Lee, and that leaves Webber and Pearl out!!!! :roll:

Hertl?

[Indy23]

So Hotel Paper, when exactly did Bruce Weber take Illinois to Championship game? Bill Self did that. You might be confusing Ohio State with Illinois.

2004. UNC beat Illinois for the NC.

[CharlieHog]

Eddie Sutton

[vbird53]

So Hotel Paper, when exactly did Bruce Weber take Illinois to Championship game? Bill Self did that. You might be confusing Ohio State with Illinois.

Bruce Webber took Illinois to the Championship game in his first year there with Bill Self's recruits.

Yep, Bill Self has never been to the Final 4. (He has 3 Elite 8 appearances)