Valley close to passing up SEC in conference RPI

[shox1989]

Warren Nolan now has the Valley at .5350 (#9) and the SEC at .5358 (#8).

The only other non-BCS conferences that are right there in the mix with the BCS conferences are the MWC at #4 and the A-10 at #7.

The #10 conference, WCC is way behind the Valley at .5169.

http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2013/conferencerpi

[GoShockers89]

Yes, the MVC is so good that our SoS is projected to drop from 63 to 230 by the end of league play.

http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2013/predictedrpi

[Speed]

WSU owns wins over an A-10 & MWC teams, 2 CUSA teams & 2 BcS teams.

[Aargh]

One total fallacy in placing any legitimacy on Conference RPI is that it is merely the average rpi of all the schools in that conference. Right now the MVC has 3 out of 10 teams in the top 50. The SEC has 2 out of 14. The MVC has 5 out of 10 at 150+, while the SEC has 5 of 14 at 150+. That leaves the MVC with 2/10 in the 51 - 149 range and the SEC with 7/14.

The MVC is skewed toward the top and the bottom. The SEC is skewed toward the upper mid-range. "Quality wins" are generally considered wins against top-100 teams. The SEC has 8/14 teams in that category. The MVC has 4/10 teams in that category. For teams with NCAA possibilities, 57% of the teams in the SEC are either "not bad" losses or "good" wins. In the MVC, 60% of the teams are either "doesn't count" wins or "bad" losses.

As conference play progresses, you will see Conference RPI begin to reflect that, as the top end of the MVC is pulled down by the bottom end and the entire SEC is pulled up by having over half of the league with RPI's of less than 100. There aren't enough opportunities for the bottom end of the MVC to pull their RPI up by losing to good teams as there are in the SEC, so the average RPI of the schools in the MVC will drop like a rock compared to the SEC.

[SubGod22]

WSU owns wins over an A-10 & MWC teams, 2 CUSA teams & 2 BcS teams.

But there are 9 other teams and pretty sure 6 or 7 of them really suck

[shox1989]

I would love to see WSU, Cu and Ill St totally dominate everyone else in this conference. The Valley never seems to break like that. The UEs of the conference just love to upset the top teams and keep this two bit conference from being a multi-bid conference.

[Capitol Shock II]

Why not just enjoy our position however flawed the calculation may be? Would you rather the conference be ranked 12th? Just enjoy it while we have it...geez.

[ShockerEngr]

One total fallacy in placing any legitimacy on Conference RPI is that it is merely the average rpi of all the schools in that conference. Right now the MVC has 3 out of 10 teams in the top 50. The SEC has 2 out of 14. The MVC has 5 out of 10 at 150+, while the SEC has 5 of 14 at 150+. That leaves the MVC with 2/10 in the 51 - 149 range and the SEC with 7/14.

The MVC is skewed toward the top and the bottom. The SEC is skewed toward the upper mid-range. "Quality wins" are generally considered wins against top-100 teams. The SEC has 8/14 teams in that category. The MVC has 4/10 teams in that category. For teams with NCAA possibilities, 57% of the teams in the SEC are either "not bad" losses or "good" wins. In the MVC, 60% of the teams are either "doesn't count" wins or "bad" losses.

As conference play progresses, you will see Conference RPI begin to reflect that, as the top end of the MVC is pulled down by the bottom end and the entire SEC is pulled up by having over half of the league with RPI's of less than 100. There aren't enough opportunities for the bottom end of the MVC to pull their RPI up by losing to good teams as there are in the SEC, so the average RPI of the schools in the MVC will drop like a rock compared to the SEC.

The other thing that tends to happen in the BCS conferences is since they don't play a round-robin schedule, they have 1-2 more non-conference games for each team. And since there is typically a 70% winning rate (conference wide) for non-con vs 50% conference games, it helps buoy the conference RPI numbers/

[shox1989]

The Valley just passed up the SEC to move into the #8 spot in the warren nolan conference rpi. I know it won't hold long since we start conference play today. Once those conference games start it will pull us pack down to #9 (all games will be .500 vs. over .600 against non-con foes).

http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2013/conferencerpi

[ripemupshocks]

Same with teamrankings.com: https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-ba...rating-by-conf

And realtimerpi.com: www.realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html

And the Massey comparison: www.masseyratings.com/cb/compare.htm

[rrshock]

****... if they aren't careful, SwoMo will single handedly take the Valley down to #10. That is a terrible number to get on the schedule twice.