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    I've been watching Creighton play Wisconsin tonight and have to say that the Bluejays are a very strong representative of the Valley. I felt that Wisconsin played over their heads to stay with Creighton for quite a while, but the Jays finally took charge.

    As I consider the game here on January 19 and the game in Omaha on March 2, I think we are still looking at the Creighton offense against the Shocker defense.

    Can Orukpe, Hall and Lufile combine to stop Echenique and Artino? Can Hall, Early and White combine to contain McDermott? Can Wessed, Wiggins, Baker and Cotton combine to stop Wragge, etc? Can Baker, Williams and Cotton combine to stop Gibbs, Jones and Manigat? Can Armstead, VanVleet and Williams combine to contain Chatman, etc?

    Last year, Echenique seemed to have an advantage against Stutz for whatever reason. Hall seemed to handle him better and I think Orukpe and Lufile will provide plenty of depth at the 5 to hold Echenique and Artino down pretty well.

    It was amazing how well Ben Smith and Carl Hall held McDermott down last year. Well, Carl is still here and Early has the same kind of quickness as Ben, but has much more height too. Plus, you also have White who could be able to wear McDermott out some with his physical type of play.

    Wragge really looked good at times tonight and could be the one who is toughest to match up with, but Wiggins is so good defensively, Wiggins is so athletic and hopefully will have time to get his defense together by Jan 19. Baker and Cotton give a lot of additional depth at the 3 to help.

    I have never really been impressed by Gibbs' offensive abilities although he is a very tough, blue collar type of player. I just think that Baker, Williams and Cotton can handle anyone they have to offer.

    Chatman looks like a very nice young Point Guard in the league, but the defense Armstead, VanVleet and Williams can provide could give him problems.

    I cannot help but believe that the depth at each position could give Creighton some real problems. Plus, I'm hopeful that by the 1st time we play Creighton, the offense may have finally started meshing.

    Oruke will not eat Echenique's lunch with his offense, but if he can make a basket or 2 plus a couple nice passes, that will be great. I think Hall can score on Echenique and I would not be surprised to see Lufile provide some offense.

    I am convinced that Hall, Early and White can all provide offense against McDermott. Certainly defense is not his strength.

    I believe Wessel has the quickness to provide some good offense against Wragge and NW certainly has the offensive skills to handle if he has improved his defense enough by then to earn the minutes needed to make a difference. Baker can certainly provide offense from the 3 if needed as well.

    I believe that Baker will have his shooting touch by then and be very tough for Gibbs to handle. William's offensive quickness will be tough to handle for any Creighton defender and Cotton can provide great depth.

    Armstead appears to be able to handle any pressure Creighton may want to attempt and will score some as well. VanVleet is coming fast and by Jan 19 will probably be playing much more like a soph or even a junior rather than a Freshman. Then you also have Williams and if needed Baker to help at the point.

    Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that I'm not impressed with Creighton. They are really good. I'm just saying that if the young Shox can become the unit we hope for soon enough, they may be able to give Creighton all they want and more. Creighton is a pretty veteran team which may well be as good as they are going to be by early January. The Shox have so many newcomers that they should continue showing a great deal of improvement as the year progresses. By Jan 19 when the Jays come to town, the Shox may be ready to handle them in front of the home crowd and by March, who knows? Maybe they will be ready to take them to the cleaners in Omaha as well.

    Creighton is really good and it will not be easy. But, if the youngsters learn to play defense to the top of their abilities and the offense meshes by then, a sweep could possibly happen.
    Last edited by 150946shox; November 25, 2012, 10:07 AM. Reason: Replace initials with names to make it easier to read.

  • #2
    Beat Tulsa.

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    • #3
      Nice brain dump.

      I need to brush up on my player initials though.

      CH is still Clevin Hannah to me. EW is something my 4 year old says often. NW is the high school around the corner. CL is City League. CE is just begging to be called ClE. (that's a lower case L). RB, TC, MA, FVV, and DW are all easily recognized instantly though. :)

      And there will never be another EO.
      Kung Wu say, man who read woman like book, prefer braille!

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      • #4
        The problem with thinking about CU is that we don't "know" the teams. Who will be injured? Will any players have grade issues? Will anyone be in a coach's "doghouse"? To me, it's too early to worry about Creighton. Let's take down Tulsa first; let's make them cry and moan for leaving the MVC.
        Some posts are not visible to me. :peaceful:
        Don't worry too much about it. Just do all you can do and let the rough end drag.

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        • #5
          What Doc said, take it one game at a time.

          Go Valley!!

          Go Shocks!!!!
          “Losers Average Losers.” ― Paul Tudor Jones

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          • #6
            Originally posted by 150946shox View Post
            I've been watching Creighton play Wisconsin tonight and have to say that the Bluejays are a very strong representative of the Valley. I felt that Wisconsin played over their heads to stay with Creighton for quite a while, but the Jays finally took charge.

            As I consider the game here on January 19 and the game in Omaha on March 2, I think we are still looking at the Creighton offense against the Shocker defense.

            Can EO, CH and CL combine to stop Echenique and Artino? Can CH, CE and JW combine to contain McDermott? Can EW, NW, RB and TC combine to stop Wragge, etc? Can RB, DW and TC combine to stop Gibbs, Jones and Manigat? Can MA, FVV and DW combine to contain Chatman, etc?

            Last year, Echenique seemed to have an advantage against GS for whatever reason. Hall seemed to handle him better and I think EO and CL will provide plenty of depth at the 5 to hold Echenique and Artino down pretty well.

            It was amazing how well Ben Smith and Carl Hall held McDermott down last year. Well, Carl is still here and CE has the same kind of quickness as Ben, but has much more height too. Plus, you also have JW who could be able to wear McDermott out some with his physical type of play.

            Wragge really looked good at times tonight and could be the one who is toughest to match up with, but EW is so good defensively, NW is so athletic and hopefully will have time to get his defense together by Jan 19. RB and TC give a lot of additional depth at the 3 to help.

            I have never really been impressed by Gibbs' offensive abilities although he is a very tough, blue collar type of player. I just think that RB, DW and TC can handle anyone they have to offer.

            Chatman looks like a very nice young PG in the league, but the defense MA, FVV and DW can provide could give him problems.

            I cannot help but believe that the depth at each position could give Creighton some real problems. Plus, I'm hopeful that by the 1st time we play Creighton, the offense may have finally started meshing.

            Oruke will not eat Echenique's lunch with his offense, but if he can make a basket or 2 plus a couple nice passes, that will be great. I think CH can score on Echenique and I would not be surprised to see CL provide some offense.

            I am convinced that CH, CE and JW can all provide offense against McDermott. Certainly defense is not his strength.

            I believe EW has the quickness to provide some good offense against Wragge and NW certainly has the offensive skills to handle if he has improved his defense enough by then to earn the minutes needed to make a difference. RB can certainly provide offense from the 3 if needed as well.

            I believe that RB will have his shooting touch by then and be very tough for Gibbs to handle. William's offensive quickness will be tough to handle for any Creighton defender and TC can provide great depth.

            MA appears to be able to handle any pressure Creighton may want to attempt and will score some as well. FVV is coming fast and by Jan 19 will probably be playing much more like a soph or even a junior rather than a Freshman. Then you also have DW and if needed RB to help at the point.

            Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that I'm not impressed with Creighton. They are really good. I'm just saying that if the young Shox can become the unit we hope for soon enough, they may be able to give Creighton all they want and more. Creighton is a pretty veteran team which may well be as good as they are going to be by early January. The Shox have so many newcomers that they should continue showing a great deal of improvement as the year progresses. By Jan 19 when the Jays come to town, the Shox may be ready to handle them in front of the home crowd and by March, who knows? Maybe they will be ready to take them to the cleaners in Omaha as well.

            Creighton is really good and it will not be easy. But, if the youngsters learn to play defense to the top of their abilities and the offense meshes by then, a sweep could possibly happen.
            If you will edit your post and substitute last names for all initials, your readers will be greatly appreciative.

            I kept getting brain lock, while converting initials to first and last names. So I stopped reading your post.
            "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it is about the future."

            --Niels Bohr







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            • #7
              Figured since I live a mile and a half away from the arena, I may as well go scout out the Bluejays vs the Sun Devils tonight. Razorbacks and Wisconsin shouldn't be too shabby either. I'll be the guy sporting the Shocker attire in case you happen to be watching. Hopefully the sCUm fans won't give me too hard of a time!

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              • #8
                I finally managed to get through the first post, it took a while to convert the initials to names of the players on the current roster. Some interesting match-ups but way to early to be thinking about those match-ups. We have a lot of games to play before we get there, almost two months. Right now Tulsa is about as far ahead as I want to look.

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                • #9
                  This thread makes us look both arrogant (looking ahead) and small-time (CU is 2 months away and this makes them look like our Super Bowl).

                  I'm sure a lot of effort went into that post but it's timing is just awful.

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                  • #10
                    I agree. What the hell are we talking about Creighton already for? The only time Creighton enters my my mind is when we play them or if I happen to see their name scroll across the ESPN ticker.

                    P.S. 1509 I know your heart is in the right place. So no disrespect.
                    Last edited by KC Shox; November 24, 2012, 05:47 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by KC Shox View Post
                      I agree. What the hell are we talking about Creighton already for? The only time Creighton enters my my mind is when we play them or if I happen to see their name scroll across the ESPN ticker.

                      P.S. 1509 I know your heart is in the right place. So no disrespect.
                      For all who hated the initials, I have edited my original post and replaced initials wtih names.

                      For all the haters who want to bash me. Here is the situation. Yes, Creighton is a long ways off. I had just watched them play on television and while watching the game, got to thinking about their talents versus ours.

                      Am I arrogant 89? I don't think so. You may notice at the end of the post as I wrapped it up, I continued using the word "may". That is because I know that the Blue Jays are very good and it will take the young Shockers a lot of coming together as a team to be able to handle them.

                      As far as taking one game at a time, I certainly hope the staff and players do that. However, as a fan, I don't understand why I have no right to look ahead and hope.

                      KC, since you never think about Creighton, maybe you should have looked at the title and ignored the post, or at least quit reading as soon as you realized what the post was all about. You do have that option in case you were not aware.

                      At least, I've learned to keep my thoughts to myself and will certainly do so in the future. I won't bother you with my musings anymore.

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                      • #12
                        watched some good basketball this week. still have it:

                        1. creighton
                        2. wichita state
                        3. uni or ilsu

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by another shocker View Post
                          watched some good basketball this week. still have it:

                          1. creighton
                          2. wichita state
                          3. uni or ilsu

                          Can't say that I disagree with you. CU looked good but wasn't overly impressed with Ill St or UNI (but I may wind up eating my words). It's early (no pun intended). Shocks will take care of Tulsa.

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                          • #14
                            UNI and Illinois State did not look as good as expected. I thought we would be better than them (and we are at this point) but they look like a very slight step up from Indiana State, Evansville, and Drake…just like last year.

                            OTOH, Missouri State is AWFUL!
                            Livin the dream

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                            • #15
                              I didn't see Illinois St. but lossing to Northwestern is not a good sign. UNI is not impressive. CU and WSU look good and it appears to be a dog fight. The team needs to take it one game at a time but the fans can look ahead as far as they want. I'm always looking a year or two ahead.
                              In the fast lane

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