TEMPLE (9-17, 2-11) at WSU (11-16, 3-11) GAME THREAD

[shocker43]

Also, perhaps a very hot take, but our offense looked better with Cortes running the offense. There was more movement and less iso-ball.

[rjl]

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[Stickboy46]

I'm not going to be upset about Ridgnal sitting. He flopped on the floor after being bumped and started a bunch of **** that didn't need to happen. Consequences are good.

Maybe .. i'd rather have consequences for the 22 offensive rebounds allowed.

[Husker4Shockers]

Sorry, but even if our players are as bad as some here think they are, they are not worse than the players on the other basement teams, and we can't even compete with them. The problem is coaching.

[wichshock65]

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Thanks. That works great. But after reading what Taylor had to say, really having my doubts about our future.

[Dan]

Sorry, but even if our players are as bad as some here think they are, they are not worse than the players on the other basement teams, and we can't even compete with them. The problem is coaching.

maybe, but it's also possible that we're just emotionally invested in our own players and we think they are better than they are. This group is probably going to set a season record for turnovers. That's not coaching, that poor skillset. They can't make outside shots. That's also poor skillset. They don't/can't box out for rebounds, again, that's something you learn early and it's just a habit, our guys don't know how to do it.

[BOBB]

If the majority of this team comes back, he sure as hell better play Williams and Pipkin because even as FR they can't be worse than what we're seeing from our guards.

You lack imagination.

Back in the day before interwebs as we know it I had heard the coaches talking about a player, James Bunch, who was stuffing stat sheets for fun in Minneapolis.

I was listening to a former high-level high school player in Wichita lament the state of the program and I said,” yeah but what about this new guy, James Bunch? He is going to light it up for us.” This guy laughed and said his sources had told him that the league he played in was like intramurals levell against kids basically playing for fun. Lo and behold he averaged 5 minutes and 1 point a game.

It can always get worse.

Thankfully we haven’t had any criminality. So far.

[rjl]

Sorry, but even if our players are as bad as some here think they are, they are not worse than the players on the other basement teams, and we can't even compete with them. The problem is coaching.

Exactly.

Things like boxing out. That's something you can have an out of shape 50 year old do, and yet we can't seem to figure it out. That's 100% coaching.

We are being told that we "need to have patience." "Good things take time."

Apparently, Wichita State fans need to have more patience than other programs with first-year head coaches like Charlotte, South Florida, Temple, and North Texas, because we just got swept by all of them.

Look at that list. The only team with any cache on that list is Temple, and that was a long time ago. Wichita State had the backing and the resources to rise above that list and get a coach that doesn't need time, but we ****ed it. What an absolute joke.

[Stickboy46]

maybe, but it's also possible that we're just emotionally invested in our own players and we think they are better than they are. This group is probably going to set a season record for turnovers. That's not coaching, that poor skillset. They can't make outside shots. That's also poor skillset. They don't/can't box out for rebounds, again, that's something you learn early and it's just a habit, our guys don't know how to do it.

Semi Agree with Turnovers and outside shots. A good coach will adjust the gameplan when what we do consistent creates turnovers or bad shots.

The last part about boxing out? No that's a coaching issue. If they don't box out, they get pulled. As we saw yesterday, our most dominant rebounder barely saw the floor. That is 100% a coaching issue when you are getting destroyed on the boards.

[Atxshoxfan]

Did this get on video and sent to Jeff *******? Looks like we have contract breach. See ya Paul!

Come on fever, you know better than that. Players should show respect after the game win or lose. It sounds like KP was being a pouty baby and PM called him out, as he should. I wasn't there and don't know the circumstances, but based on posts on here, that is my judgement.

[Husker4Shockers]

maybe, but it's also possible that we're just emotionally invested in our own players and we think they are better than they are. This group is probably going to set a season record for turnovers. That's not coaching, that poor skillset. They can't make outside shots. That's also poor skillset. They don't/can't box out for rebounds, again, that's something you learn early and it's just a habit, our guys don't know how to do it.

OK, but I see no evidence of any changes being made to try to correct those issues. If you need to coach fundamentals, do it. Running the same guys out there game after game and watching them do the same dumb things isn't coaching in my opinion.

[ShockTalk]

Question: What's the benefits to Beverly over Ridgnal and DeGray. He's one of 3 players getting 30+ mpg and the average minutes drop to 23 and down from there? Seems like he makes bad plays fairly regular in the last 1-2 minutes of a game. Also, he's the worst 3pt % of the 8 players who shoot them, and he seems to in the lineup in the closing minute when we may need a 3. Also, Ridgnal is a better rebounder and Degray is just as good.

[asiseeit]

Don't get me wrong I like QB alot but he is NOT a dominate rebounder by any stretch. He commands the immediate area he occupys but too often doesn't occupy the right spots to rebound effectively. What I like about him the most is his mind set of not trying to do more offensively than he is capable of which has resulted in such a high shooting %. It's too bad the other players don't look for him more but that is mostly coaching.

[BOBB]

Been a long time since I was embarrassed by a WSU team on the floor.
The 90's were tough to watch with Scott Thompson. He was nice guy, but a really bad coach.
Mike Cohen ws embarrassing, but fortunately only a short while.
Randy and some of the bullsht he pulled was really bad. But he had internal demons prodding him.

But today...well today felt a lot like those nightmares of yesteryear.
We have some players that continue to do some of the dumbest **** on a basketball court, over and over and over.

The coaches sit down with these guys first thing after the season ends on the second Wednesday in March. (and it will end that day).
Book it.

I hope they have a come to Jesus meeting with some and be very honest and forthcoming.
There are a few I hope are back, but it is very minimal.

HCPM gets a pass from me for this season, although he doesn't for todays debacle.
He was hired late, had nothing to pick from the leftovers in the portal and was handed a shitshow by his predecessor.

But he has a whole year to recruit, hit the portal and even the JuCo's to come up with better talent currently on board.
He better not be sitting in the toilet of the AAC come this time next year.

That is all.

As someone whose opinion on basketball I generally respect it has stuck in my craw that you mocked me for thinking Terrell Benton would start for this team. Having witnessed more of this season do you still not believe Benton would improve our team? Ramon Clemente could box out and get a rebound. Neither of those players are AAC level talents and I think they would massively improve us. They were marginal MVC players, ffs.

I have also let you talk me off the cliff on coaching this year and I thought I saw improvement, but I expect next year to be a dumpster fire. I would love to be wrong and eat a slow roasted crow. Certainly a coach can only do so much and John Wooden himself could coach me 8 hours a day and after a year of coaching I would get laughed off the court. BUT, a good coach can get the best out of the players he has. I don’t see our players controlling the controllables and that is on coaching. Either he has given up on the players or they have given up on him. If his only chance to win is overwhelming talent we are well and truly ****ed because this league has some good players.

Now I’ll add one more. Graham Hatch walks into this starting lineup.

[asiseeit]

Question: What's the benefits to Beverly over Ridgnal and DeGray. He's one of 3 players getting 30+ mpg and the average minutes drop to 23 and down from there? Seems like he makes bad plays fairly regular in the last 1-2 minutes of a game. Also, he's the worst 3pt % of the 8 players who shoot them, and he seems to in the lineup in the closing minute when we may need a 3. Also, Ridgnal is a better rebounder and Degray is just as good.

A legit question but I am pretty sure it has to do with PM's offensive schemes that depend on keeping the driving lanes open. The one thing HB does really well is drive downhill into those open lanes.