2022-23 Expectations for Shocker Basketball – “Summertime Edition”

[WstateU]

If our point guard can elevate his play, compared to last year when he really struggled to get the ball in bounds, or run a capable fast break offense, to a level of all-conference, it's not unreasonable to expect 20 wins (give or take 2 victories). Porter has shown a few flashes of being that kind of performer, unfortunately, however, the opposite is also true, as stated.

After all, the Shocks have proven in the AAC (and the Valley before that) that when they have an all conference guard/s the results are more victories and top of the league finishes. Who would disagree with that? Those are just the facts.

Nobody in their right mind would disagree with you. Not trying to be a smart aleck, but every team in the country is looking for "all-conference" type guards. You don't have to look much further than the most recent national champion (*excuse me, I need to gag); solid guard play wins championships. Unfortunately, there are 358 teams searching for point guards and the top 50 teams usually get the better ones. Let's cross our fingers and hope a good one slips through the cracks soon.

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[forevershockerfan]

I'm hoping we can have a similar winning record as last season.. I'm enjoying the podcasts of our players. They mention Porter and J. Pierre the most. We lost a ton so I am still only cautiously realistic.. Still curious about our last ship. Porter and KP should start. I'm guessing these our top rotation players.. 1. C. Rogers 2. J. Pierre 3. J. Walton 4. Gus. O. 5. Q. Ballard, 6. Ricks 7. X. Bell 8. Rojas. Around a mid AAC finish would be nice..

[Dan]

Further, Jaykwon Walker was a 4 star consensus Top 100 coming out of high school.

[TheShocktocles]

A small snippet from The Athletic, but it still provides a bit of sobering context. (https://theathletic.com/3390668/2022...portal-losers/)

"The major losses were Ricky Council IV (who transferred to Arkansas), Dexter Dennis (Texas A&M) and Morris Udeze (New Mexico). All three made our top transfer list. None of the seven transfers the Shockers brought in were on that list."

I want to be optimistic, and excited, but realistically on paper, this is likely to be rough.

LMAO. Dexter Dennis can't dribble and CLANG!!!!!!!!! Morris Udeze can only score from 3 ft, can't pass out of a double team and extremely poor basketball IQ. I will not miss him trying to score over 3 players. RQ 4 selfish offensive player that constantly turns the ball over. Can't and will not guard anybody. The end of the Houston game is his typical defense, Just effing lost. And don't get me started on TE. The chemistry on last year team was a joke.

Now we at least have players that can dribble, pass,, and shoot.. We have size and athleticism. If they can learn to play Defense and Rebound I think we will be ok. Go Shocks.

[asiseeit]

A lot of new faces. I don't buy hype. Have to see them play. They better be very talented and have high BBIQ's because we have the same coach. I do think there will be at least a couple of very pleasant individual surprises. NIT is not out of reach if we can average close to twenty assists per game and less than 12 turnovers.

[1972Shocker]

A lot of new faces. I don't buy hype. Have to see them play. They better be very talented and have high BBIQ's because we have the same coach. I do think there will be at least a couple of very pleasant individual surprises. NIT is not out of reach if we can average close to twenty assists per game and less than 12 turnovers.

I think 20 assists per game is a bit optimistic. Arizona led the nation last year at 19.6 and St. John's was 2nd at 18.8. I don't think 20 assists per game is realistic unless HCIB totally revamps his offensive philosophy. Last year the Shockers averaged 12.0 assists and 12.9 turnovers per game as a team. Getting that to say 15 assists to 12 turnovers on average would probably be a more realistic and perhaps even an achievable target. A 25% increase in assists and a 7% decrease in turnovers. 15 assists and a 1.25 assist to turnover ratio would be right around the Top 50 area. Anything better than that would certainly be welcomed but it would also be a surprise to me.

Not only do the Shocks need to have talent and high BBIQ they need fuse that together with good team chemistry and team play. The talent might be good enough. I think the level of BBIQ might be the biggest question mark. Hard to believe we won't have better team chemistry than last year but to what degree remains to be seen. And I think to get good team play you need the right system and the right focus on that which would be provided primarily by the coaching staff. I don't think any of this can be truly evaluated until we see this team play a handful or 2 of games.

[asiseeit]

Agreed. Wasn't aware of national averages and I did say "close to 20" but I do know that our assists to turnovers was poor and that is a reflection on the HC. He gave TE far to much rope and that attitude spread to MU and others, as well. I feel pretty good about our talent but can IB somehow promote chemistry??

[wichshock65]

Nobody in their right mind would disagree with you. Not trying to be a smart aleck, but every team in the country is looking for "all-conference" type guards. You don't have to look much further than the most recent national champion (*excuse me, I need to gag); solid guard play wins championships. Unfortunately, there are 358 teams searching for point guards and the top 50 teams usually get the better ones. Let's cross our fingers and hope a good one slips through the cracks soon.

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Smart aleck.

[MikeKennedyRulZ]

I think 20 assists per game is a bit optimistic. Arizona led the nation last year at 19.6 and St. John's was 2nd at 18.8. I don't think 20 assists per game is realistic unless HCIB totally revamps his offensive philosophy. Last year the Shockers averaged 12.0 assists and 12.9 turnovers per game as a team. Getting that to say 15 assists to 12 turnovers on average would probably be a more realistic and perhaps even an achievable target. A 25% increase in assists and a 7% decrease in turnovers. 15 assists and a 1.25 assist to turnover ratio would be right around the Top 50 area. Anything better than that would certainly be welcomed but it would also be a surprise to me.

Not only do the Shocks need to have talent and high BBIQ they need fuse that together with good team chemistry and team play. The talent might be good enough. I think the level of BBIQ might be the biggest question mark. Hard to believe we won't have better team chemistry than last year but to what degree remains to be seen. And I think to get good team play you need the right system and the right focus on that which would provided primarily by the coaching staff. I don't think any of this can be truly evaluated until we see this team play a handful or 2 of games.

Tyrone Shoelace would average 20 per game himself!! Whachootalkinbout foo!

[ShockTalk]

I think 20 assists per game is a bit optimistic. Arizona led the nation last year at 19.6 and St. John's was 2nd at 18.8. I don't think 20 assists per game is realistic unless HCIB totally revamps his offensive philosophy. Last year the Shockers averaged 12.0 assists and 12.9 turnovers per game as a team. Getting that to say 15 assists to 12 turnovers on average would probably be a more realistic and perhaps even an achievable target. A 25% increase in assists and a 7% decrease in turnovers. 15 assists and a 1.25 assist to turnover ratio would be right around the Top 50 area. Anything better than that would certainly be welcomed but it would also be a surprise to me.

Not only do the Shocks need to have talent and high BBIQ they need fuse that together with good team chemistry and team play. The talent might be good enough. I think the level of BBIQ might be the biggest question mark. Hard to believe we won't have better team chemistry than last year but to what degree remains to be seen. And I think to get good team play you need the right system and the right focus on that which would provided primarily by the coaching staff. I don't think any of this can be truly evaluated until we see this team play a handful or 2 of games.

Last year, CP averaged 3.6 apg and 1.9 TO pg and played 27 mpg. Even Grant was 1.8/1.0. With those numbers included, the team had 12.0 apg and 12.9 TO pg.

One could say that we had a basically experienced team last year with the core having played with each other for a while.

Now, CP and Pohto are the only players familiar with "the system".

CP is going to need to play 30-35 mpg as there may not even be a "Grant" on this team.

While the team is learning to play together, it is also the time where many of the "wins" will need to come from. Likely, not likely?

If they do not gel quickly, it will be a long season.

[Downtown Shocker Brown]

Key thing to note:

We will say our “new roster” and new players will be the reason for our slow start or as the case may be season. But on average every NCAA team had 5 transfer out and 8 new players.

[ShockTalk]

Key thing to note:

We will say our “new roster” and new players will be the reason for our slow start or as the case may be season. But on average every NCAA team had 5 transfer out and 8 new players.

Well, we did have 7 transfer out plus 1 out of a 10 man active roster. That's 70% transferring with the NCAA average being less than 39% assuming 13 active players.

[Downtown Shocker Brown]

Well, we did have 7 transfer out plus 1 out of a 10 man active roster. That's 70% transferring with the NCAA average being less than 39% assuming 13 active players.

That’s some fancy number work. You must be an accountant.

Standard for Team A: 10 players.
Standard for Team B: 13 players.

Each team loses 8, but percentage for Team A is higher so they can use that and Team B can’t.

[Ashockalypse]

LMAO. Dexter Dennis can't dribble and CLANG!!!!!!!!! Morris Udeze can only score from 3 ft, can't pass out of a double team and extremely poor basketball IQ. I will not miss him trying to score over 3 players. RQ 4 selfish offensive player that constantly turns the ball over. Can't and will not guard anybody. The end of the Houston game is his typical defense, Just effing lost. And don't get me started on TE. The chemistry on last year team was a joke.

Now we at least have players that can dribble, pass,, and shoot.. We have size and athleticism. If they can learn to play Defense and Rebound I think we will be ok. Go Shocks.

Who do you think is going to instill chemistry and teach them how to defend and rebound per your hope…yeah, I don’t know either.

[WuDrWu]

Agreed. Wasn't aware of national averages and I did say "close to 20" but I do know that our assists to turnovers was poor and that is a reflection on the HC. He gave TE far to much rope and that attitude spread to MU and others, as well. I feel pretty good about our talent but can IB somehow promote chemistry??

20/12 A/TO would be a top 3 ratio basically every season in the last 15 in the NCAA. It’s beyond elite.

It’s like saying if we can shoot 52% FG & 40% 3FG we should be able to win 20+.

Or better Shoctocles thinking, if we can have 5 All Conference staters we should be able to win some games.