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  • The Pros, Cons and Questions about IB

    Let’s toss this around a bit. I’ve been around and visited with him some and also have talked to numerous people within the program over the past few years so some of this opinion based on experience.

    Pro 1: His work ethic and knowledge of the game. He watches video tirelessly and relentlessly of our opponents and is very good at breaking down a game for a scouting report.

    Question: Does he have that same non biased way and the ability to watch and critique video of his own team?

    Con: HC Experience. This is a different animal than being an assistant where that experience only gets you so far. Show me one guy who made the transition from D-1 assistant to high major coach and I will show you ten that failed.

    Pro 2: Relatability with players. Not just skin color but growing up in the South, wasn’t a four star talent in HS, and had a bumpy road to success probably makes him a mentor to a lot of these kids. There is probably a reason we spend a lot of time in the South recruiting.

    Question: Can he use that relatability to get through to his players and hold them accountable for what happens on the court or is he not equipped to do that?

    Con: Self promotion. IB is a likeable guy but also really has never enjoyed the limelight. To endear yourself with fans besides winning games, you have to be able to connect with them ….or just win every game, like Mark Few.

    Pro 3: Learned from one of the best and still has a lifeline there. Enough said.

    Question: This is probably the big one and could negate everything else out there, pro or con. Can he recruit top level players who are coachable and retain them? Can he drop down to the slimy level needed once in a while to steal a player? Can he manage a roster and mix in the right chemistry?

    Con: He is following a larger than life legend in this town. Even though it drives me crazy, he will be judged not against his peers but against his mentor, who many believe should still be coaching here.

    I didn’t include in game adjustments as a pro or con because we have examples of both and it is too early in his career to call it either way. In fact, his in game adjustments or lack of them have been fluctuating from great to terrible game to game.

    This is just my opinion, but if you wanted a finished product to coach our great and storied program, IB isn’t it and it won’t matter what he does. To top it off, an AD that many people do not like hired him during the season. He is/was a bit of a risky hire, and like all risks, the road will be uneven to whether it pans out or not. I just hope when criticizing him, some of you take a breath and understand the answer of whether he is the right guy or not may still be in its infancy.

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    W's, butts in seats, $$$$$$$$.......the real determinates
    Last edited by asiseeit; December 7, 2021, 07:21 PM.

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    • #3
      After reading a thoughtful, reasoned, intelligent post like that, I had to double check to make sure I was on the right message board.
      "It's amazing to watch Ron slide into that open area, Fred will find him and it's straight cash homie."--HCGM

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      • #4
        You just forgot the biggest pro. He is the coach for WSU and I will root like hell for him and the kids he is coaching to succeed until such time he no longer coaches this team.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Rocky Mountain Shock View Post
          After reading a thoughtful, reasoned, intelligent post like that, I had to double check to make sure I was on the right message board.
          Kung Wu say, man who read woman like book, prefer braille!

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          • #6
            Wichita State All-time Coaching Winning Percentage (1950 - present)
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            Coach Win % NCAA Conf. Reg. Titles Conf. Tourney Titles
            1. Issac Brown .733 1 1 0
            2. Gregg Marshall .732 7 5 2
            3. Gene Smithson .657 2 2 1
            4. Eddie Fogler .656 2 0 1
            5. Ralph Miller .623 1 1 0
            6. Mark Turgeon .587 1 1 0
            ——

            Maybe give the dude the benefit of the doubt for awhile? He's only 8 games into his second season for effs sake.
            “The rebellion on the populist right against the results of the 2020 election was partly a cynical, knowing effort by political operators and their hype men in the media to steal an election or at least get rich trying. But it was also the tragic consequence of the informational malnourishment so badly afflicting the nation. ... Americans gorge themselves daily on empty informational calories, indulging their sugar fixes of self-affirming half-truths and even outright lies.'

            ― Chris Stirewalt

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            • #7
              IB
              beating Okie State at their place +1
              losing to A less talented K-State team in Wichita -1

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              • #8
                Originally posted by top20shock View Post
                IB
                beating Okie State at their place +1
                losing to A less talented K-State team in Wichita -1
                yep.. wichita state overrachieved last year (until..) and they are overrachieving again this year too. (until..)

                their toughness can't be beat. but that scoreboard can if they don't tighten up their offense.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Wuzee View Post
                  Wichita State All-time Coaching Winning Percentage (1950 - present)
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                  Coach Win % NCAA Conf. Reg. Titles Conf. Tourney Titles
                  1. Issac Brown .733 1 1 0
                  2. Gregg Marshall .732 7 5 2
                  3. Gene Smithson .657 2 2 1
                  4. Eddie Fogler .656 2 0 1
                  5. Ralph Miller .623 1 1 0
                  6. Mark Turgeon .587 1 1 0
                  ——

                  Maybe give the dude the benefit of the doubt for awhile? He's only 8 games into his second season for effs sake.
                  You basically contradicted yourself. Only 30 games in so don’t judge him, but made comparisons to former greats.
                  Deuces Valley.
                  ... No really, deuces.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ShockerFever View Post

                    You basically contradicted yourself. Only 30 games in so don’t judge him, but made comparisons to former greats.
                    I did not. Had I claimed he was the greatest coach in Shocker history, you might have a point. The chart is a supporting fact that in no way contradicts the statement I made — that he deserves the benefit of the doubt based on his performance so far.
                    Last edited by Wuzee; December 9, 2021, 12:23 PM.
                    “The rebellion on the populist right against the results of the 2020 election was partly a cynical, knowing effort by political operators and their hype men in the media to steal an election or at least get rich trying. But it was also the tragic consequence of the informational malnourishment so badly afflicting the nation. ... Americans gorge themselves daily on empty informational calories, indulging their sugar fixes of self-affirming half-truths and even outright lies.'

                    ― Chris Stirewalt

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