Post Turg vs.Post Triple G

[proshox]

When I look back at the end of the Turg era and the end of the Gregg era the biggest single difference is the amount of talent associated with the program. I have not gone back and verified my fuzzy memory, but in Gregg's second year as a head coach I looked at the combined performance of Turg's recruits still in D1 ball. It was scary bad - the hypothetical Turg Roster could only score about 5 ppg.

In comparison, this shocker team has a number of production players - Gregg gets credit for all of them. Furthermore, the transferred-out talent is productive as well.

Notable non-shocker roster production:

Rod Brown - 10 ppg / 5 rpg
Grant Sherfield - 16ppg / 5 apg / 4 rpg / 2 spg
Jamarius Burton - 5 ppg / 3 rpg / 2 apg
CJ Keyser - 21 ppg / 2 rpg / 1 apg
Asbjorn Midtgaard - 14 ppg / 9 rpg
Austin Reaves - 16 ppg / 6 apg / 5 rpg
Teddy Allen - 17 ppg / 5 rpg

This is just one more dataset to illustrate how much Gregg elevated the program. Whomever the next coach is will need to do 2 things to be successful:

1) Continue to identify and recruit D1 players which can excel (no kidding)
2) Figure out a way to maximize roster while limiting turnover (some of WSU's problem with turnover stems from talent log-jams - victim's of success)

[SB Shock]

Notable non-shocker roster production:

Rod Brown - 10 ppg / 5 rpg
Grant Sherfield - 16ppg / 5 apg / 4 rpg / 2 spg
Jamarius Burton - 5 ppg / 3 rpg / 2 apg
CJ Keyser - 21 ppg / 2 rpg / 1 apg
Asbjorn Midtgaard - 14 ppg / 9 rpg
Austin Reaves - 16 ppg / 6 apg / 5 rpg
Teddy Allen - 17 ppg / 5 rpg

I don't know how listing how well all the players are doing who left the program is some testament to GGG. The mass exodus of players actually was the catalyst for getting GGG fired.

[Dan]

I don't know how listing how well all the players are doing who left the program is some testament to GGG. The mass exodus of players actually was the catalyst for getting GGG fired.

These guys all left for different reasons. ******* was looking for a silver bullet, but you can look at each guy and there’s a reason. A lot of it was lack of playing time, too much talent in front of them, not making grades in Keyser’s case, etc. What a lot of them really needed was patience and maturity.

[proshox]

These guys all left for different reasons. ******* was looking for a silver bullet, but you can look at each guy and there’s a reason. A lot of it was lack of playing time, too much talent in front of them, not making grades in Keyser’s case, etc. What a lot of them really needed was patience and maturity.

Agreed. The new transfer rules have really made it harder to keep players for two reasons:

1) Hidden gems can upgrade
2) There is little incentive to overcome a tough situation - why stay when there is another school who can put you to work right away

[ShockTalk]

When I look back at the end of the Turg era and the end of the Gregg era the biggest single difference is the amount of talent associated with the program. I have not gone back and verified my fuzzy memory, but in Gregg's second year as a head coach I looked at the combined performance of Turg's recruits still in D1 ball. It was scary bad - the hypothetical Turg Roster could only score about 5 ppg.

In comparison, this shocker team has a number of production players - Gregg gets credit for all of them. Furthermore, the transferred-out talent is productive as well.

Notable non-shocker roster production:

Rod Brown - 10 ppg / 5 rpg
Grant Sherfield - 16ppg / 5 apg / 4 rpg / 2 spg
Jamarius Burton - 5 ppg / 3 rpg / 2 apg
CJ Keyser - 21 ppg / 2 rpg / 1 apg
Asbjorn Midtgaard - 14 ppg / 9 rpg
Austin Reaves - 16 ppg / 6 apg / 5 rpg
Teddy Allen - 17 ppg / 5 rpg

This is just one more dataset to illustrate how much Gregg elevated the program. Whomever the next coach is will need to do 2 things to be successful:

1) Continue to identify and recruit D1 players which can excel (no kidding)
2) Figure out a way to maximize roster while limiting turnover (some of WSU's problem with turnover stems from talent log-jams - victim's of success)

Add Noah F. to that list: 11.3 ppg / 5.8 apg / 2.5 spg / 46.4 fg%

[shock]

GGG recruited ballers but sometimes they just weren’t system fits. That’s what bad about having a rigorous system. When it’s clicking, any team was a top team. When it wasn’t clicking it looked terrible.