Bracketology Jan 3

[ShockerFever]

Absolutely right it's outrageous. Projected RPIs: Cal 32, Stanford 66, Colorado 98, and among the first 4 out, Arizona 76. If those RPIs hold up, there would be no way to justify any team other than Cal as an at-large.

As with all Bracketologys now, the team or teams leading a conference are given the conference's automatic berth. Since Colorado is leading the PAC 12, they are given the automatic bid. That's the only reason they're in right now. Same thing went with Missouri State last week, when they were leading the conference and we're given the automatic.

But I agree totally with the 3-bid PAC 12 BS. There is NO way that conference deserves 2 bids right now, much less 3. Totally garbage.

[shox1989]

The SWOMO snub was actually in 2006, not 2007. And you're right. They're aligning perfectly for that scenario. You know why?

For starters, what is quality win they have? Iowa State? Meh.

What do they have for bad losses? Well, they were blown out at St. Mary's. They were blown out at home to Ohio. They lost by double-digits on their home floor to Evansville. They lost at Illinois State. That resume does NOT scream NCAA at-large bid. Much like MSU in 2006, they beat the RPI system and have managed to avoid any 200+ RPI teams so far. That has inflated their numbers. Next time, instead of just looking at the RPI like you blame the committee for doing all of the time, look at the actual resume. They're weak and quite honestly, I'm surprised they were as close as the Last Four Out. I wouldn't even have put them that high up on the list.

Actually I agree with you. You obviously haven't read some of my previous posts on this subject. I too am actually surprised Lunardi has them so close to being in. I have stated in previous posts that UNI's non-con schedule and results was setting them up for another SWOMO type letdown.

I thought it was interesting in Lunardi's bracketology because he is confirming this line of thought. Although he is giving UNI more credit than I think the committee will in March.

UNI has no marquee non-con wins and short of winning the conference or Arch Madness, I really don't see much chance of them getting into the dance even if they end up with a good rpi.

SWOMO had 4 top 50 rpi wins in 2006 but all 4 were in the Valley. Without a marquee non-con win to confirm how good they were or a conference championship the committee discounted the 4 in-conference only wins. I think the same thing will probably happen to UNI (that could change if one of their non-con wins takes off like if Iowa State were to tear up the big 12).

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

The Pac 12 has a ton of depth. Hard to find 3 teams that should be in RIGHT NOW, but there are atleast 7 teams whose bubbles have yet to pop. 3 bids isn't all that unlikely. Picking WHICH 3 is that hard part right now.

Personally, I think they will get 2 when it is all said and done.

[ShockTalk]

The Pac 12 has a ton of depth. Hard to find 3 teams that should be in RIGHT NOW, but there are atleast 7 teams whose bubbles have yet to pop. 3 bids isn't all that unlikely. Picking WHICH 3 is that hard part right now.

Personally, I think they will get 2 when it is all said and done.

Maybe you give little weight to rpiforecast.com's projections, but for arguement's sake, what 2nd or 3rd team is now, or would be (based on projection), more worthy than UNI or Mo St? Yes, the PAC-12 only has 3 bottom feeders in a 12 team league where it could be argued the Valley has 4, but there is likewise no comparison in reverse at the top 4 positions. Just where are these PAC teams going to get quality wins when the their #2 RPI now and later is below 60? Only 5 teams, from top to bottom, are even projected to improve their current RPI. In their case, a good win will do as much damage to the loser as the winner gained.

[ShockerGorilla]

Here we go. It seems like this discussion is starting earlier than last year.

[SubGod22]

I wouldn't mind hearing how one could justify three teams from the PAC given what we know right now. Very few quality wins as a conference and nobody is looking all that strong. A number of other conferences seem to be set up better to put two or three teams in then does the PAC. Even a number of the ESPN types have been talking about the PAC being a one bid conference.

I'm sure a case could be made. And if so, I'd like to hear it.

[Downtown Shocker Brown]

After tonight, the 15th ranked team in the nation, is in 13th place in the Big East.

[ShockerFever]

The Pac 12 has a ton of depth. Hard to find 3 teams that should be in RIGHT NOW, but there are atleast 7 teams whose bubbles have yet to pop. 3 bids isn't all that unlikely. Picking WHICH 3 is that hard part right now.

Personally, I think they will get 2 when it is all said and done.

Was this post some sort of odd joke?

[shox1989]

The PAC 12 a got a little boost yesterday as Washington held off 1-11 Seattle University 91-83 to notch another win over a very weak non-con opponent.

[im4wsu]

SIAP - composite Bracketology website

Here is a composite listing of all major bracketology projections

http://bracketproject.50webs.com/matrix.htm

[newshock1234]

a good sign so far, that we are in every bracket projection

[shox1989]

Here is a composite listing of all major bracketology projections

http://bracketproject.50webs.com/matrix.htm

WSU and Cu are listed on all 22 brackets. Cu comes in as a 6 seed and WSU as a 10 seed.

UNI is listed in 9 brackets, doing well enough to be listed second among the FIRST FOUR OUT. MoST is listed on 4 brackets and Illinois St is in one bracket (kind of in the others receiving votes category). Indy State has fallen off the face of the earth and is listed in NO brackets.

[ShockerFever]

a good sign so far, that we are in every bracket projection

January 12th.

[newshock1234]

January 12th.

Exactly, notice in my post i said "so far"

[ShockerFever]

Exactly, notice in my post i said "so far"

I noticed it, just reemphasizing.

Just tired of seeing us fill up all of the brackets in January and February the last two years only to fall completely off the table by March.