Wichita State vs Temple Game Thread

[kcshocker11]

A much needed scary win! Go Shocks!

[1972Shocker]

Wade was great.. but JB was the player of the game. He was absolutely clutch at the end of the game. Jumpers, layups, free throws, defense, a steal.. all of it

I don't necessarily disagree with that but are we even in a position for JB to have a chance to shine at the end of the game if Trey did not have a career best game?

[Dan]

Meanwhile, Temple fans are saying “who the hell is Trey Wade and how did we allow him to have a career game against us?”

[1972Shocker]

10. is Etch a top 5 center all time?

I assume you mean Top 5 Wichita State center of all time. Some food for thought.

Maybe worth some examination. Off the top of my head I think Gene Wiley, Nate Bowman, Terry Benton, Bob Elmore, Garrett Stutz, Paul Miller, and Shaq Morris come to mind. Who else should be on the list?

Were Cliff Levingston and Sash Radunavich centers or forwards. I view them more as power forwards.

[swiltar71]

I was pretty young but I remember Ozell Jones being pretty good in the day. Never saw the old guys but I take JE over Stutz and Miller in a heartbeat. Maybe over Shaq too.

[molly jabali]

I love JE in many ways, but top 5 centers do NOT struggle with layups and get two foot shots blocked....

[Ashockalypse]

I vote Wade.

[Slalomshocker]

Not saying this is what happened but it's there only explanation i can come up with regarding the ES foul. 4 seconds left, up 2 with JB at the line. Chances are, after his FTAs, Shocks up 3 with 4 seconds left. In that scenario, GGG doesn't want another UCONN possibility. Either ES got the word to foul him before he gets to half court and the coaches didn't tell the team what to do if JB makes both or he misunderstood or didn't hear what happens if he makes both. It didn't look like the team or the coaches were crazy upset like he made a big mistake.

Im not a coach or even claim to be, but if i were, and I'm up 4 with 3 seconds left and the other team has to go 94' to score, i tell my team to not even get close to them. After the second free throw is made, just run down the court with them and let them jack up whatever they want. Worst thing that can happen is you win by 1 instead of 4.


Or ES just made a bonehead play.

Or GGG made a bonehead call.

Being at the game as soon as this happened I looked at the bench... GGG clearly pointed to himself the same as a player would when they make a mistake. He looked right at ES and with both hands acknowledged that it was on him. Which, I applaud him for that. However...... HOW THE HECK DO YOU SCREW THAT UP!?!?!?!?! You are paid & your assistants are paid for exactly this situation, know the time and score!

I guess its my fault though, I've been begging for him to coach his players, to help them out. I saw him coach up Noah during a FT attempt (in a good, positive way) and he clearly had a discussion with ES about the end game situation and make a coaches decision. Got the must have win, somehow, but I'll take it.

[Dan]

I was pretty young but I remember Ozell Jones being pretty good in the day. Never saw the old guys but I take JE over Stutz and Miller in a heartbeat. Maybe over Shaq too.

my opinion in order of recent centers: Shaq > Hall > Miller > Jaime > Stutz > Durley

it’s tough to rank because most of these guys only had 1 really good year and were frustrating as underclassmen, so really only comparing senior year for each guy. Hall was not a true center but he did play as an undersized post, same with Durley. Stutz and Jaime are very similar good and bad.

[Slalomshocker]

I will accept youth as an explanation to some of last night. Its the only time I have been willing to accept it though. For 3-4min stretches, man the guys played some really nice basketball. Yes there were some fortuitous bounces, but when this team makes it a point to get out and run and really tries to look for each other, the assists pile up and they play some good ball. But as soon as you think they've turned the corner they come down and get in the air with nowhere to go (JB) or take a bad jumper (ES) or quit passing out of the double team and try to take it through a triple team (JE). The highs were high last night, and the lows were.... head scratching.

They made the plays down the stretch though. JB is a gamer. Yes he has his flaws, but the kid just plays his tail off. Proud of the kid for that, proud of the effort when it had to be there. Really like Noah and coach seems to know he can't expose him too much but has done a nice job using him for a spark. And probably the best thing I saw all night (maybe all season) was the 3min stretch that Ech was passing out of the double team every time to a wide open shooter. Which he followed up with a misread and threw it right to a defender trying to hit Wade on a cut, but man, if he will consistently take his time and pass out of those.....it changes the entire dynamic of the offense.

[molly jabali]

Maybe it's just me, but Erik may have the worst body language in college basketball...I don't buy it's competitiveness...my favorite moment of the night was TE ....the youngest kid on the floor...clapping up tghe veterans...love that kid...

[FadedCrown]

Maybe it's just me, but Erik may have the worst body language in college basketball...I don't buy it's competitiveness...my favorite moment of the night was TE ....the youngest kid on the floor...clapping up tghe veterans...love that kid...

Go watch some highlights from December

[Husker4Shockers]

Not saying this is what happened but it's there only explanation i can come up with regarding the ES foul. 4 seconds left, up 2 with JB at the line. Chances are, after his FTAs, Shocks up 3 with 4 seconds left. In that scenario, GGG doesn't want another UCONN possibility. Either ES got the word to foul him before he gets to half court and the coaches didn't tell the team what to do if JB makes both or he misunderstood or didn't hear what happens if he makes both. It didn't look like the team or the coaches were crazy upset like he made a big mistake.

Im not a coach or even claim to be, but if i were, and I'm up 4 with 3 seconds left and the other team has to go 94' to score, i tell my team to not even get close to them. After the second free throw is made, just run down the court with them and let them jack up whatever they want. Worst thing that can happen is you win by 1 instead of 4.


Or ES just made a bonehead play.

Or GGG made a bonehead call.

Not saying coach didn't call it, but Erik's gotta be smart enough not to do it. But...

[Shockm]

I assume you mean Top 5 Wichita State center of all time. Some food for thought.

Maybe worth some examination. Off the top of my head I think Gene Wiley, Nate Bowman, Terry Benton, Bob Elmore, Garrett Stutz, Paul Miller, and Shaq Morris come to mind. Who else should be on the list?

Were Cliff Levingston and Sash Radunavich centers or forwards. I view them more as power forwards.

I think by today's standards they are bigs and I would include Antoine Carr and Xavier McDaniel. Antoine played inside and outside because he had to in different situations, and X played mostly inside but he could step outside too. Cliff and Sasha both played as much or more with their back to the basket and guarding bigs too. There were never 4 out and 1 in during those days. That is a recent phenomenon.

[ShockRef]

Being at the game as soon as this happened I looked at the bench... GGG clearly pointed to himself the same as a player would when they make a mistake. He looked right at ES and with both hands acknowledged that it was on him. Which, I applaud him for that. However...... HOW THE HECK DO YOU SCREW THAT UP!?!?!?!?! You are paid & your assistants are paid for exactly this situation, know the time and score!

I guess its my fault though, I've been begging for him to coach his players, to help them out. I saw him coach up Noah during a FT attempt (in a good, positive way) and he clearly had a discussion with ES about the end game situation and make a coaches decision. Got the must have win, somehow, but I'll take it.

I also noticed HCGM pointing to himself after that fiasco. ES was probably just following orders, but I also question why he didn't look at the scoreboard too!
Coaches, players and yes officials have to know score, time and situation at all times. Just zero excuse for that to happen.

TW and in crunch time JB saved the night, but they were also very fortunate to have some things go their way.
Case in point - on JB's game winner drive, DD committed an absolute illegal screen on JBs defender. It was obvious and fortunately, Stephens didn't blow his whistle for once. I saw it when it happened and was big time surprised it wasn't called.
JE could learn a thing or two from TW about going to the rim strong. TW didn't mess around with lay ins or tips. He just went strong and dunked the damn ball at every opportunity.

ES did take some really bad shots last night, but he sure plays hard and doesn't quit after a mistake. He also has a rebounders mentality when snaring them. That type of effort will always get you on the floor for HCGM, despite some of the miscues.

It has already been said mucho times, but Sunday @ SMU is huge. Like really, really huge!

That is all.