The new hook-and-hold flagrant 1 rule

[RoyalShock]

After seeing this video from the NCAA, I think the rule is probably a good one.

[SB Shock]

You could see more people ejected for flagrant 2 with that guidance.

[shock]

If there is any question, just kick em in the face. Thats just a rebound.

[wusphlash]

Seems you could hook from the top with only slightly more difficulty than hooking from below. Puts officials in a position of making a judgement, likely a judgement that that the player with his arm on the bottom is guilty. Flagrant 1 seems excessive in such a subjective situation.

[Shock Top]

This is NOT what we saw in the WSU game though. I understand the intent of the rule, but they still need to work out the kinks.

[ShockerFever]

It won't be called consistently so I already don't like it.

[shock]

Flagrant 2 will be abused

[MelvinLoudermilk]

It won't be called consistently so I already don't like it.

^^^^ this

you could call that on any play anytime you want. i hate it.

[Kung Wu]

I am siding with RoyalShock on this one -- if you are clearly hooking a guys arm, that should be a flagrant 1. It's more dangerous than the general foul, it's an off ball foul, and it's potentially incendiary.

[Shockm]

The taller player will always be on top in a hooking sequence as this. Who hooks who is a problem. Both players are just looking for block out rebounding leverage. The foul with Dexter wasn’t a dangerous play. There will be problems with this new rule.

[Aargh]

Two players get their arms hooked. Which way is the foul called?

One player will be moved away from a favorable position. That player will always be seen as the victim. The player gaining a positional advantage will always be the one called for the hook.

It's pretty straight forward and an easy foul to call. You call the flagrant foul on the stronger player. They're both trying to gain an advantage. The stronger player will gain the advantage and be called for the infraction. The rule rewards players who unsuccessfully try to gain an advantage.

[Shoxfan11]

Two players get their arms hooked. Which way is the foul called?

One player will be moved away from a favorable position. That player will always be seen as the victim. The player gaining a positional advantage will always be the one called for the hook.

It's pretty straight forward and an easy foul to call. You call the flagrant foul on the stronger player. They're both trying to gain an advantage. The stronger player will gain the advantage and be called for the infraction. The rule rewards players who unsuccessfully try to gain an advantage.

This happened in the Yale vs. Cal game the other night during a free throw attempt. They called flagrant fouls on both players.

[engrshock]

The second example of hook and hold is weak. That was just the player holding the other player and it was not very deceptive. The first example is one that I would like to see reviewed and called more often. When a player hooks another player and clamps down to make it look like the other player is fouling needs to be caught and called more often It seems like Jamar Howard did this sometimes and I didn't like it any more then.

[Shockm]

Two players get their arms hooked. Which way is the foul called?

One player will be moved away from a favorable position. That player will always be seen as the victim. The player gaining a positional advantage will always be the one called for the hook.

It's pretty straight forward and an easy foul to call. You call the flagrant foul on the stronger player. They're both trying to gain an advantage. The stronger player will gain the advantage and be called for the infraction. The rule rewards players who unsuccessfully try to gain an advantage.

Dexter did not appear to have an advantage. I’ll watch it again just to see for sure. Both players had their elbows out. Dexter did it last because he was behind. If Providence had hit the free throws, it totally changes the game.

[1972Shocker]

I guess there was an example of this in the Women's game vs UAPB. The foul was called on Shocker 5-8 point guard Seraphine Bastin as she was being guarded by a Kye Richardson of UAPB who is 5-3. This was called a foul but after review not a flagrant foul. Kind of a questionalbe call and perhaps caused as much by the height differential of the palyers as anything.

This occurred just past the 8:20 mark of the 3rd quarter at about the 1:04.44 mark on the video replay:

https://www.yurview.com/arkansas-pin...etball-11-7-18

Not sure why it took 3 minutes to figure out this wasn't flagrant.

[ShockTalk]

Wow. That was not an example of hooking even if that was being discuss. Inadvertent contact at best. SB was simply trying to keep the ball away from second defender and the "fouled" defender was trailing as SB was going to the bucket. Yes, without the height difference, there would have been nothing to call.

[1972Shocker]

ShockTalk I agree with that assessment. Should have taken about 15 seconds to determine nothing flagrant about that.

[Dark Lord]

According to the video and commentary, we are going to see a lot of flagrant 2 fouls called on layups this year. That does not make the game better.

I also do not see why the hook and hold is a flagrant foul and not just a common foul. There are far more harmful plays than that.

[Shocker_Power]

I also do not see why the hook and hold is a flagrant foul and not just a common foul. There are far more harmful plays than that.

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