Hot Seat

[shock]

That is the info I was looking/waiting for. There obviously are some hot seats on the bench because HCGM shaves every day. Shockm whateth sayeth youeth noweth

[proshox]

By the way - I do not feel my comments are a negative against the new assistants. I really think it takes a while to build the two way trust it takes to work well together in pressure situations.

[WSUwatcher]

As I said earlier, I also think it can take time for coaches to grow into their jobs, and another poster astutely noted that Marshall himself may need to grow into his own role here in a tougher conference. But there's lots of basketball left -- time for McDuffie to regain his form, for some of the newer players to continue to grow, and for both Marshall and his staff to get better. These reminders that it all needs to happen can be kind of startling and unpleasant, but progress will be made.

[shoxilla]

game day "product"?
I'll hang up an not listen

[ShockerFever]

No, I’m not.

Then stfu. Or leave the "cesspool".

[ShockerFever]

For me, I always said HCGM needs a trusted thinker when the poop hits the fan. I sat behind the bench for at least one of those “games” a year and that “thinker” was Jan’s. When Jan’s was gone, we didn’t have that trusted thinker for a while. Eventually Forbes grew into the role.

I was behind the bench during the OU game. If you could hear some of what was said you would know that HCGM is on his own when things aren’t going well. The new guys are mute and it is a one-way conversation (HCGM yelling at them to come up with something).

Watch old game film and you can almost always see a pre-huddle conversation. It was Jan’s speaking to HCGM with HCGM nodding in agreement.

The only time I have noticed anything close to Jan’s style was Jones early in the UCONN game.

HCGM requires another alpha coach...

And I too think this is the main difference with scheming and strategy this year. You nailed it.

And unfortunately, that's not something that fixes itself or improves itself over the course of the season.

[BostonWu]

Can CJ go and pat someone on the ass again cuz we need him back. jk

[shoxlax]

I’m saying that no one on here has any inside knowledge on the workings of the coaching staff. Gregg Marshall is our head coach and is the only one with the knowledge of this conversation. Why discuss something you know nothing about. I’m still behind Gregg and his decisions. He’s the best WSU coach ever and we just need to show at games and trust in his decisions. In 63-64 we chased off our HOF coach Ralph Miller after we lost to a KSU team we shouldn’t have in the NCAA. Let’s not run off another HOF coach.

You are right on all accounts.

[Topshock]

Actually he is not right on all accounts

[ShockingButTrue]

WSU has played a lot of tough road games this year already, probably more than anyone, in sheer numbers, in the country, with many to come. They need some R&R for the home stretch, ala Bobby Knight when he was coaching the Hoosiers. Walk through's. Give 'em some valuable rest to regenerate the batteries.

Then simultaneously Rearrange the line-up as well (obviously). It hurts the team having a player *or two* out on the floor who demonstrate a "triple threat" position that means dribble the ball of your foot, throw the ball away, and/or shoot a serious brick (air ball).

Just throwing it out there. In GGG we trust.

[shock]

You are right on all accounts.

Then go stick your head in the sand elsewhere, but this is WSU. HCGM gets paid 3.5m for a product on the court. The product WSU fans expect is not a top ten team, it’s not burger boys, it’s not even NCAA berths or championships. It’s hustle, plain and simple. The players needs to bust their balls on both ends, SASO contributors deserve to see a sell out defense. I think everyone will agree a team with offensive woes and a sell out defense is preferable to a high octane offense with a cheese cloth defense that can’t adjust. Losing Jans and Heier and Forbes hurts like hell. I expect our 3.5m coach to hold his highly paid assistants to a higher standard. The culture demands it.

[Shocker-maniac]

Then stfu. Or leave the "cesspool".

no. Why don’t you go back to wheatshocker.com.

Shockernet is a lot better without you.

[Dave Stalwart]

It’s amazing what a couple of losses has done to some of you.

[Shockm]

Then go stick your head in the sand elsewhere, but this is WSU. HCGM gets paid 3.5m for a product on the court. The product WSU fans expect is not a top ten team, it’s not burger boys, it’s not even NCAA berths or championships. It’s hustle, plain and simple. The players needs to bust their balls on both ends, SASO contributors deserve to see a sell out defense. I think everyone will agree a team with offensive woes and a sell out defense is preferable to a high octane offense with a cheese cloth defense that can’t adjust. Losing Jans and Heier and Forbes hurts like hell. I expect our 3.5m coach to hold his highly paid assistants to a higher standard. The culture demands it.

Then go after him and say he needs to be fired or whatever you’re trying to say. Whose in charge here’s? He is the one responsible for the product. Don’t be a coward and go after assistants. Go after the “man”.

[Shockm]

No you are a micro-manager and want to oversee things that only the coaching staff know. I'm saying that's Marshall's responsibility and you don't know enough because are outside looking in, to take your rediculous position to fire Asst. coaches.

[shock]

One, how is expecting the deficiencies to be fixed “micromanaging”? Micromanaging would be saying the players should eat xyz before a game or that all their socks should be the same, not that the game day coaching needs to improve. Saying that game day coaching needs to improve is like saying the sky is blue or grass is green.

Two, state your credentials or get off this “you don’t know what you are talking about” shtick. The point about the assistants has already been proven ten fold. Either present evidence or stfu.

Three, I never said anything about just firing assistants. I’m saying they need to improve and learn because Gregg doesn’t miss a day of shaving.

[Shockm]

State your own credentials. You haven’t proven anything. You have stated opinions viewing the program from afar. Just let us know who you are.

[Shocker-maniac]

It’s amazing what a couple of losses has done to some of you.

im good, just getting attacked by someone for reasons unknown to me. I don’t let losses get me down like some peeps on this board. There’s a lot more important things in life than Shocker basketball

[ShockerFever]

no. Why don’t you go back to wheatshocker.com.

Shockernet is a lot better without you.

Yah, that's something a fragile, soft-shelled introvert would say when they get a dose of reality splashed onto their brain.

It sounds like message boards are a bit too much for your psyche. Might wanna just stick to magazine reading that's more your speed:

[Shocker-maniac]

Yah, that's something a fragile, soft-shelled introvert would say when they get a dose of reality splashed onto their brain.

It sounds like message boards are a bit too much for your psyche. Might wanna just stick to magazine reading that's more your speed:

Act your age not your IQ.