WSU assistant professor calls BYU racist

[The Mad Hatter]

Re: WSU assistant professor calls BYU racist

This is an interesting piece posted on the Chicago Tribune website in the opinion section. It's written by a member of the WSU faculty, Darron Smith, and brings race front and center into the Brandon Davies situation.

He states:

"Since 1993, at least 70 athletes have been suspended, dismissed, put on probation or forced to withdraw from their respective teams or the school for honor code violations. Fifty-four of these athletes, nearly 80 percent, are people of color."

Without knowing the demographics behind BYU athletics, is it possible that there are more black athletes than white athletes? Or do they just get in trouble more? Hard to tell...

Here's the article link:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/o...,2868469.story

I could be wrong, but my guess is that a high percentage of their white athletes may be Mormon and/or from the area, and more accustomed to following "the rules" than the African American athletes who come from far different backgrounds, and don't know that the rules really are rules. It would be interesting to see if the majority of the white athletes who made up the 20% (or bulk of the 20%) were not Mormon and/or from the area.

I don't know if it would be intentional profiling as much as a case of "outsiders" of any color and/or cultural background being more susceptible to disciplinary action. I could definitely see there being far less tolerance for "outsiders".

Pure speculation on my part...

Well said.

[chitown_shocker]

Woe is me.

Idiot.

That is all. 8)

+1

I'm curious. Why don't you find these statistics troubling?

Is is because you believe the AA players break the rules at a disproportionate rate than their white counterparts?

Do you believe that discrimination based on race is a thing of the past?

or are you just tired of hearing AA complain about perceived injustices whether their complaints may be legitimate or not?

I'm not trying to call either of you out, just would like you to expound upon your point of view because I find the article to be alarming at the least.

[shockmonster]

I would choose not to go to BYU because I am not Mormon and therefore don'thave Mormon views (while I would share many of the same values and probably don't share some also). So to some extent, I think that athletes that attend BYU (provided they are not lied to or honor codes are not hidden) need to take a buyer beware attitude. A private affiliated school has certain rules that should be adhered to and they have that right to be different. Discrimination is difficult to prove even though it may exist.

[pinstripers]

Don't start gettin reasonable!

[chitown_shocker]

I would choose not to go to BYU because I am not Mormon and therefore don'thave Mormon views (while I would share many of the same values and probably don't share some also). So to some extent, I think that athletes that attend BYU (provided they are not lied to or honor codes are not hidden) need to take a buyer beware attitude. A private affiliated school has certain rules that should be adhered to and they have that right to be different. Discrimination is difficult to prove even though it may exist.

I agree that the code is spelled out and should be enforced, but if it is being enforced in a manner that is discriminatory is that not troubling?

The issue isn't that the players broke the rules its more about the enforcement of the code. Do AA athletes break the rules more or are the rules enforced differently for people of color/non mormons?

edit: I believe the numbers suggest they might be.

[SubGod22]

I would choose not to go to BYU because I am not Mormon and therefore don'thave Mormon views (while I would share many of the same values and probably don't share some also). So to some extent, I think that athletes that attend BYU (provided they are not lied to or honor codes are not hidden) need to take a buyer beware attitude. A private affiliated school has certain rules that should be adhered to and they have that right to be different. Discrimination is difficult to prove even though it may exist.

I agree that the code is spelled out and should be enforced, but if it is being enforced in a manner that is discriminatory is that not troubling?

The issue isn't that the players broke the rules its more about the enforcement of the code. Do AA athletes break the rules more or are the rules enforced differently for people of color/non mormons?

I would think that non Mormons would be much more likely to break those rules than those who were raised Mormon. So I don't really see a big deal here. These numbers aren't as staggering as they want you to believe.

[Ricardo del Rio]

Woe is me.

Idiot.

That is all. 8)

+1

I'm curious. Why don't you find these statistics troubling?

Is is because you believe the AA players break the rules at a disproportionate rate than their white counterparts?

Do you believe that discrimination based on race is a thing of the past?

or are you just tired of hearing AA complain about perceived injustices whether their complaints may be legitimate or not?

I'm not trying to call either of you out, just would like you to expound upon your point of view because I find the article to be alarming at the least.

This is my point of view. I am weary of race based conversations, which are initiated by black Americans and white Americans.

If one is fascinated by this kind of discussion, then I recommend "The View" television show to the person. It will feed the addiction and provide a modicum of entertainment.

[shockmonster]

I don't know if BYU has a problem or not. I went to a private college that had rules that provided for girls dorms and boys dorms. There were students who were removed from school for a variety of reasons (academic and non-academic). There were people (faculty and student committees) that were given the authority to make the decisions to remove students. Some decisions may have been unfair. I wasn't privvy to details. Very few students were actually kicked out and they had to do something quite serious. My main point is that these schools are private and no one is requiring attendance. Buyer needs to check things out and make their own decisions.

[Shoxfan11]

Darron Smith will be on ESPN's 'Outside the Lines' on June 26.

http://www.wichita.edu/thisis/wsunews/news/?nid=1513

[60Shock]

Unless you look at this case by case, no one has the slightest idea of whether there is even a hint of racisim and all we are doing is pissing in the wind, once again.

Racisim of all types should never be tolterated whether it is white to black or the reverse. Regardless, it should be addressed and corrected at all levels.

Kind of courious as to why an assistant professor at WSU is involved. Not exactly like BYU is any where near our neck of the woods.

[The Mad Hatter]

Kind of courious as to why an assistant professor at WSU is involved. Not exactly like BYU is any where near our neck of the woods.

Darron Smith worked at BYU for 10 years before coming to WSU.

[60Shock]

Thanks, MH.