Non-con scheduling

[GoShockers89]

So why not game the system and use an opponent who doesn't hurt our RPI for a cupcake game? Emporia State > Chicago State for our SOS, RPI, et al., plus likely brings in a bigger gate as 500-1000 more people will actually fill the seats for that one.

This is just so common sense that it amazes me we don't do it.

[The Mad Hatter]

So why not game the system and use an opponent who doesn't hurt our RPI for a cupcake game? Emporia State > Chicago State for our SOS, RPI, et al., plus likely brings in a bigger gate as 500-1000 more people will actually fill the seats for that one.

This is just so common sense that it amazes me we don't do it.

First of all, Emporia State is Division II, so they don't contribute anything to RPI.

Second, we are doing this. The problem is that so is everyone else. The competition for buyout games against teams that aren't RPI-killers is intense. Even if you can accurately predict which cupcake will have a decent RPI (which is not always easy to do), you are having to out-bid a huge number of schools to get those games. Schedules have to match up, geography plays a factor, etc.

The goal is always to get the best RPI game out of the cupcakes you schedule. It just isn't easy to do.

[GoShockers89]

So why not game the system and use an opponent who doesn't hurt our RPI for a cupcake game? Emporia State > Chicago State for our SOS, RPI, et al., plus likely brings in a bigger gate as 500-1000 more people will actually fill the seats for that one.

This is just so common sense that it amazes me we don't do it.

First of all, Emporia State is Division II, so they don't contribute anything to RPI.

Second, we are doing this. The problem is that so is everyone else. The competition for buyout games against teams that aren't RPI-killers is intense. Even if you can accurately predict which cupcake will have a decent RPI (which is not always easy to do), you are having to out-bid a huge number of schools to get those games. Schedules have to match up, geography plays a factor, etc.

The goal is always to get the best RPI game out of the cupcakes you schedule. It just isn't easy to do.

With all due respect, you completely misunderstand my point. Yes, ESU adds nothing to RPI...because it doesn't count to RPI at all. Beating a #330 Chicago State does count towards the RPI, and it counts toward it by kicking it square in the grapes even if we beat them by fifty.

It is better to play one cupcake a year that has no effect on the RPI and brings in the same revenue than playing one that acts as an anchor.

Hope that clarifies.

[The Mad Hatter]

So why not game the system and use an opponent who doesn't hurt our RPI for a cupcake game? Emporia State > Chicago State for our SOS, RPI, et al., plus likely brings in a bigger gate as 500-1000 more people will actually fill the seats for that one.

This is just so common sense that it amazes me we don't do it.

First of all, Emporia State is Division II, so they don't contribute anything to RPI.

Second, we are doing this. The problem is that so is everyone else. The competition for buyout games against teams that aren't RPI-killers is intense. Even if you can accurately predict which cupcake will have a decent RPI (which is not always easy to do), you are having to out-bid a huge number of schools to get those games. Schedules have to match up, geography plays a factor, etc.

The goal is always to get the best RPI game out of the cupcakes you schedule. It just isn't easy to do.

With all due respect, you completely misunderstand my point. Yes, ESU adds nothing to RPI...because it doesn't count to RPI at all. Beating a #330 Chicago State does count towards the RPI, and it counts toward it by kicking it square in the grapes even if we beat them by fifty.

It is better to play one cupcake a year that has no effect on the RPI and brings in the same revenue than playing one that acts as an anchor.

Hope that clarifies.

Having wins on your record against Division II schools is generally looked down upon and can be used as an excuse to discount your record.

While it may not hurt the objective RPI numbers, it certainly hurts the subjective perception of your school and scheduling practices. You may get the revenue, but for all practical purposes, you might as well not count it as a win on your resume.

[AndShock]

So why not game the system and use an opponent who doesn't hurt our RPI for a cupcake game? Emporia State > Chicago State for our SOS, RPI, et al., plus likely brings in a bigger gate as 500-1000 more people will actually fill the seats for that one.

This is just so common sense that it amazes me we don't do it.

First of all, Emporia State is Division II, so they don't contribute anything to RPI.

Second, we are doing this. The problem is that so is everyone else. The competition for buyout games against teams that aren't RPI-killers is intense. Even if you can accurately predict which cupcake will have a decent RPI (which is not always easy to do), you are having to out-bid a huge number of schools to get those games. Schedules have to match up, geography plays a factor, etc.

The goal is always to get the best RPI game out of the cupcakes you schedule. It just isn't easy to do.

With all due respect, you completely misunderstand my point. Yes, ESU adds nothing to RPI...because it doesn't count to RPI at all. Beating a #330 Chicago State does count towards the RPI, and it counts toward it by kicking it square in the grapes even if we beat them by fifty.

It is better to play one cupcake a year that has no effect on the RPI and brings in the same revenue than playing one that acts as an anchor.

Hope that clarifies.

Having wins on your record against Division II schools is generally looked down upon and can be used as an excuse to discount your record.

While it may not hurt the objective RPI numbers, it certainly hurts the subjective perception of your school and scheduling practices. You may get the revenue, but for all practical purposes, you might as well not count it as a win on your resume.

I'd be interested in seeing what our RPI numbers would've been if we were to take Alabama A&M and Chicago State off the schedule. If the RPI/SOS only changes a couple spots, it's probably not a big deal either way. If there's a considerable difference then I don't see why we don't schedule D2 schools instead.

[SubGod22]

So why not game the system and use an opponent who doesn't hurt our RPI for a cupcake game? Emporia State > Chicago State for our SOS, RPI, et al., plus likely brings in a bigger gate as 500-1000 more people will actually fill the seats for that one.

This is just so common sense that it amazes me we don't do it.

First of all, Emporia State is Division II, so they don't contribute anything to RPI.

Second, we are doing this. The problem is that so is everyone else. The competition for buyout games against teams that aren't RPI-killers is intense. Even if you can accurately predict which cupcake will have a decent RPI (which is not always easy to do), you are having to out-bid a huge number of schools to get those games. Schedules have to match up, geography plays a factor, etc.

The goal is always to get the best RPI game out of the cupcakes you schedule. It just isn't easy to do.

With all due respect, you completely misunderstand my point. Yes, ESU adds nothing to RPI...because it doesn't count to RPI at all. Beating a #330 Chicago State does count towards the RPI, and it counts toward it by kicking it square in the grapes even if we beat them by fifty.

It is better to play one cupcake a year that has no effect on the RPI and brings in the same revenue than playing one that acts as an anchor.

Hope that clarifies.

Having wins on your record against Division II schools is generally looked down upon and can be used as an excuse to discount your record.

While it may not hurt the objective RPI numbers, it certainly hurts the subjective perception of your school and scheduling practices. You may get the revenue, but for all practical purposes, you might as well not count it as a win on your resume.

It wouldn't count as a win on the resume anyway. Nor does it hurt the RPI. I think one of the arguments is that the Emporia States of the world are also probably better competition than the Chicago States of the world.

[GoShockers89]

Actually, it doesn't show up as a win at all on the sheet the tournament committee uses, so there would be no subjective discounting of the win total. It is as if it was never played, only you get the pluses of taking in the gate and getting the project players some PT.

I guess we'll agree to disagree. I would rather have the official regular season record of 25-6 with an RPI of 29 and SOS of 71, you would rather have the regular season record of 26-6 with an RPI of 38 and SOS of 86. With the same revenue.

[The Mad Hatter]

Actually, it doesn't show up as a win at all on the sheet the tournament committee uses, so there would be no subjective discounting of the win total. It is as if it was never played, only you get the pluses of taking in the gate and getting the project players some PT.

I guess we'll agree to disagree. I would rather have the official regular season record of 25-6 with an RPI of 29 and SOS of 71, you would rather have the regular season record of 26-6 with an RPI of 38 and SOS of 86. With the same revenue.

Fair enough.

The other problem with this, however, is that most of the time you end of being stuck with the likes of Chicago State because you were hoping to get something better and by the time all the better options fall through, the only teams that still have schedule openings that work with yours are the likes of Chicago State.

The question may become, therefore, not whether you pick Emporia State over Chicago State, but do you go ahead and schedule Emporia State before their schedule fills up and give up on better Division I buyout games, or do you hold out for better DI buyout games and risk ending up with only a Chicago State available?

[notquiteBWing]

Actually, it doesn't show up as a win at all on the sheet the tournament committee uses, so there would be no subjective discounting of the win total. It is as if it was never played, only you get the pluses of taking in the gate and getting the project players some PT.

I guess we'll agree to disagree. I would rather have the official regular season record of 25-6 with an RPI of 29 and SOS of 71, you would rather have the regular season record of 26-6 with an RPI of 38 and SOS of 86. With the same revenue.

I like how you think :good:

Logical.