Hutch News columnist thinks it's time . . .

[ShockerFever]

I give one more item that gets almost no run.


Because it's good for the game. College basketball SHOULDN'T be about money, and I am under no illusion that's the case.

Sorry Doc. Playing for the good of the game is not an acceptable answer to the questions Jamar/KU pry with.

It should all be about what KU has to gain and nothing else.

Why does North Carolina play Davidson?

Why does Texas A&M play Sam Houston State?

Why does Portland play Oregon?


The single biggest reason a KU would not be interested in playing a WSU is the fact that they know there is a real possibility of losing the game. And since KU and other programs have built up a perceived notion that WSU is inferior to that of KU and other schools that field the great sport of BCS football, KU would never be able to live with it, so they simply avoid it or chickensh*t out of it and try to wipe it under the rug.

[tropicalshox]

Can someone please inform me what KU would have to gain by playing WSU?... and no, getting a bunch of angry WSU's fans off KU's back doesn't count. KU not caring about what WSU fans think is all it takes to get rid of that one.

I'm not saying I don't think there are a few small things KU would gain. I just don't understand the quick jump into talks of arrogance as if KU has lots of good reasons but simply chooses to make a decision against their own best interests.

I thought KC and I were the kings of playing devil's advocate.

You sir are continuing to one-up us at an amazing clip.

Don't worry Fever, you and KC are a fun read. The new guy is way to long winded with logic to bother reading.

[XManCometh]

I give one more item that gets almost no run.


Because it's good for the game. College basketball SHOULDN'T be about money, and I am under no illusion that's the case.

Sorry Doc. Playing for the good of the game is not an acceptable answer to the questions Jamar/KU pry with.

It should all be about what KU has to gain and nothing else.

Why does North Carolina play Davidson?

Why does Texas A&M play Sam Houston State?

Why does Portland play Oregon?


The single biggest reason a KU would not be interested in playing a WSU is the fact that they know there is a real possibility of losing the game. And since KU and other programs have built up a perceived notion that WSU is inferior to that of KU and other schools that field the great sport of BCS football, KU would never be able to live with it, so they simply avoid it or chickensh*t out of it and try to wipe it under the rug.

I believe the last time KU played WSU, the Jayhawks beat us by 50. I was there. I remember leaving with 5 minutes left because KU put in their scrubs. I was there the years prior as well, when KU beat us by an average of 35 points and embarrassed us in the Roundhouse.

This argument about "Why doesn't KU play us" only comes up when we are good. It didn't come up in 2008 when we were horrible and KU was #1 all season. If I remember correctly, many people on here said, "I don't want to play KU this year. Let's wait a few years when we're better". I'm beginning to wonder if many of us just want to play KU when it's convenient for US.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Sorry Doc. Playing for the good of the game is not an acceptable answer to the questions Jamar/KU pry with.

It should all be about what KU has to gain and nothing else.

I have no problem with the "good of the game" argument... never said that I did. My question specifically asked about "what does KU have to gain". My question was attempting to be somewhat specific.

[ShockerFever]

I give one more item that gets almost no run.


Because it's good for the game. College basketball SHOULDN'T be about money, and I am under no illusion that's the case.

Sorry Doc. Playing for the good of the game is not an acceptable answer to the questions Jamar/KU pry with.

It should all be about what KU has to gain and nothing else.

Why does North Carolina play Davidson?

Why does Texas A&M play Sam Houston State?

Why does Portland play Oregon?


The single biggest reason a KU would not be interested in playing a WSU is the fact that they know there is a real possibility of losing the game. And since KU and other programs have built up a perceived notion that WSU is inferior to that of KU and other schools that field the great sport of BCS football, KU would never be able to live with it, so they simply avoid it or chickensh*t out of it and try to wipe it under the rug.

I believe the last time KU played WSU, the Jayhawks beat us by 50. I was there. I remember leaving with 5 minutes left because KU put in their scrubs. I was there the years prior as well, when KU beat us by an average of 35 points and embarrassed us in the Roundhouse.

This argument about "Why doesn't KU play us" only comes up when we are good. It didn't come up in 2008 when we were horrible and KU was #1 all season. If I remember correctly, many people on here said, "I don't want to play KU this year. Let's wait a few years when we're better". I'm beginning to wonder if many of us just want to play KU when it's convenient for US.

No, it's not fun getting your asses handed to another team. However, I think it's quite obvious the 90's were the deepest, darkest decade of our basketball history. Playing in the 90's probably wouldn't have been beneficial to either team. However, I wanted to play them in 2000. 2001. 2002. 2008. Whatever, whenever. We dominated and decimated KU and KState in baseball for a good 25 years. I know baseball is a different animal but I didn't wanna see them dropped off the schedule because we were beating the snot out of them.

We're very much competitive overall and no matter how good or bad EITHER team is, I wanna see the game every year. I truly feel that way. Sure I want the best chance to beat them, and it would be better for us if the games were competitive, but I want to play them. I just don't see the 90's happening anytime soon.. if ever again.

[ShockerFever]

Sorry Doc. Playing for the good of the game is not an acceptable answer to the questions Jamar/KU pry with.

It should all be about what KU has to gain and nothing else.

I have no problem with the "good of the game" argument... never said that I did. My question specifically asked about "what does KU have to gain". My question was attempting to be somewhat specific.

KU can better prepare themselves for another potential collapse to a VCU, Bradley, Bucknell, or Northern Iowa by playing them in regular season forum. And why not do it 150 miles from home with a chance to have as many Jayhawk fans in attendance despite not playing on their home floor? Why not shut WSU up?

How about instead of why, Jamar, how about why NOT?

[WstateU]

I give one more item that gets almost no run.


Because it's good for the game. College basketball SHOULDN'T be about money, and I am under no illusion that's the case.

Sorry Doc. Playing for the good of the game is not an acceptable answer to the questions Jamar/KU pry with.

It should all be about what KU has to gain and nothing else.

Why does North Carolina play Davidson?

Why does Texas A&M play Sam Houston State?

Why does Portland play Oregon?


The single biggest reason a KU would not be interested in playing a WSU is the fact that they know there is a real possibility of losing the game. And since KU and other programs have built up a perceived notion that WSU is inferior to that of KU and other schools that field the great sport of BCS football, KU would never be able to live with it, so they simply avoid it or chickensh*t out of it and try to wipe it under the rug.

I believe the last time KU played WSU, the Jayhawks beat us by 50. I was there. I remember leaving with 5 minutes left because KU put in their scrubs. I was there the years prior as well, when KU beat us by an average of 35 points and embarrassed us in the Roundhouse.

This argument about "Why doesn't KU play us" only comes up when we are good. It didn't come up in 2008 when we were horrible and KU was #1 all season. If I remember correctly, many people on here said, "I don't want to play KU this year. Let's wait a few years when we're better". I'm beginning to wonder if many of us just want to play KU when it's convenient for US.

I wanted to see us play KU in the 20's, 30's, 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's :D , BUT now I don't give a harry rats a$$ if we play them again before I ...

[AZ Shocker]

All I have to say is IF I were a KU fan....I would want NOTHING to do with playing Wichita St. Personally for me...I can deal with embarresment just fine in all aspects of my life. BUT I don't think too many Jayhawk fans can. :lol:

[notquiteBWing]

Can someone please inform me what KU would have to gain by playing WSU?... and no, getting a bunch of angry WSU's fans off KU's back doesn't count. KU not caring about what WSU fans think is all it takes to get rid of that one.

I'm not saying I don't think there are a few small things KU would gain. I just don't understand the quick jump into talks of arrogance as if KU has lots of good reasons but simply chooses to make a decision against their own best interests.

I thought KC and I were the kings of playing devil's advocate.

You sir are continuing to one-up us at an amazing clip.


WHAT THE HELL DOES KU HAVE TO GAIN BY PLAYING LONGWOOD OR COLORADO STATE OR MIAMI OF OHIO?

my theory on this subject:

Ku will play us. They aren't adverse to it. probably would really like it.

BUT

we don't agree on terms.
KU can play the aforementioned teams and not have to return. THAT is what they have to gain.

KU wants more home games than away games. the only away game in the NON-CON are big TV games. like, CBS big.

Every other 'mid-major' they play gets a screwed up deal. because they don't have the money or prestige to demand an even bargain.

I haven't done any research on the agreements that the cupcakes and mids made with KU this year.

But i'd assume. they are 1 and dones with a fairly decent pay-to-play paycheck.

WSU has (rightfullly so) too much pride to accept that kind of treatment.

So, as a conclusion, my theory is that KU isn't scared of our team and isn't worried about perception of losing to us. They couldn't care less about the experience and balance of our team.


they simply want to have more home games to get more profit.
they don't think the money from advertising for a big in state game will equal the money they make in a 2-1 deal with us.

[Rosewood]

RoyalShock, your point would have held true this year, but not necessarily every year. There have been plenty of years when WSU wasn't strong in all those areas.

Also, I go back to a main question... Why is WSU uniquely qualified to help KU in this way? Aren't there many teams out there with talent, athleticism, and experience?

Not in the last decade. Even under Marshall's first year WSU was still a competitive out.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

How about instead of why, Jamar, how about why NOT?

A perfectly good question that I'd love to discuss. One question at a time though. I'm still trying to catch up with all the responses to my first question.

[shox1989]

Maybe we should make it financially appealing for Ku (or some national power BCS team) to play WSU.

We could offer them a $1 million for a one and done for playing in CKA. Maybe we could get CK to underwrite the game.

It could be the annual HONOR CHARLES KOCH game at CKA.

And if Ku won't take the $1million dollars to play us, maybe we could find a major BCS team that would (maybe a team that doesn't underachieve every year in the ncaa tournament).

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

There are teams out there with more of these attributes, but they aren't in KU's backyard.

Jamar, do you not really see how WSU might be a bit different, since it IS IN FREAKING KANSAS?

Why does WSU being in the same state help KU? They are going to play 9 out of 10 games in Lawrence anyway. Why do they care if the other team has to travel a long ways? Isn't it to their advantage to play a team that might be travel weary?

[ShockerFever]

Seriously?

Was Richmond travel weary a few years ago when they rode out of there with a win?

This just keeps getting dumber and dumber.

I guess there is NO reason at all for KU to waste their time playing Wichita State. Just as there's no reason to play Colorado State or Miami of Ohio or Toledo.

[BOBB]

Of course, we all know how influential the Hutch media is in Larrytown. Once the deafening din of crickets subsides I'm sure the clamor of the populace will be heard.