How many firsts has this team set this season?

[Kung Wu]

Re: How many firsts has this team set this season?

I think for a few posters who complain that this season wasn't a success this might put things in a new light?

This team will still have underachieved by falling flat on their face everytime an opportunity came knocking during the regular season and in the Lou. They racked up a lot of that against weak teams and in a weak conference.

Rare disagreement with Sub.

We only lost to 1.5 "weak" teams. We lost to three sweet-16 calibre teams in the non-con. We lost to a strong MSU twice. We lost to a hot UNI (before O'Drear got injured). Then we lost to SIU (weak) and Indiana State (medium) who was hot and beat MSU.

Given then 1.5 let downs, this team has done an incredible turn around to rebound and even elevate their game.

[kcshocker11]

What did HCGM say about a first against the ACC?

[KC Shox]

Re: How many firsts has this team set this season?

I think for a few posters who complain that this season wasn't a success this might put things in a new light?

This team will still have underachieved by falling flat on their face everytime an opportunity came knocking during the regular season and in the Lou. They racked up a lot of that against weak teams and in a weak conference.

Rare disagreement with Sub.

We only lost to 1.5 "weak" teams. We lost to three sweet-16 calibre teams in the non-con. We lost to a strong MSU twice. We lost to a hot UNI (before O'Drear got injured). Then we lost to SIU (weak) and Indiana State (medium) who was hot and beat MSU.

Given then 1.5 let downs, this team has done an incredible turn around to rebound and even elevate their game.

The point is this, the Shox were 0 and 8 in the eight most important games of the season. And I do say they were the most important as we all knew that UNI or MSU would be at the top of the Valley, SIU was to maintain not having a bad loss and the rest speak for themselves. We go 4 and 4 or better in those 8 games, we make the dance. Not winning one of those damn games speaks volumes as to not capitalizing on opportunities.

[1979Shocker]

The Shocks are slightly ahead of last season's record free throw shooting percentage.

2009-2010: 525-704 (74.57%)
2010-2011: 499-669 (74.59%)

[Capitol Shock]

Is this the first time a shocker team has beat a big 12, an SEC, two ACC teams, a Conference USA and a PAC 10 team in one season?

[Kung Wu]

Re: How many firsts has this team set this season?

I think for a few posters who complain that this season wasn't a success this might put things in a new light?

This team will still have underachieved by falling flat on their face everytime an opportunity came knocking during the regular season and in the Lou. They racked up a lot of that against weak teams and in a weak conference.

Rare disagreement with Sub.

We only lost to 1.5 "weak" teams. We lost to three sweet-16 calibre teams in the non-con. We lost to a strong MSU twice. We lost to a hot UNI (before O'Drear got injured). Then we lost to SIU (weak) and Indiana State (medium) who was hot and beat MSU.

Given then 1.5 let downs, this team has done an incredible turn around to rebound and even elevate their game.

The point is this, the Shox were 0 and 8 in the eight most important games of the season. And I do say they were the most important as we all knew that UNI or MSU would be at the top of the Valley, SIU was to maintain not having a bad loss and the rest speak for themselves. We go 4 and 4 or better in those 8 games, we make the dance. Not winning one of those damn games speaks volumes as to not capitalizing on opportunities.

Yes, we didn't win those games. Other than SIU none of them were "weak" though. And at NO point did our team stop fighting -- which is evident by looking at the scores.

To imply that this team is "soft" as Shoxmvc likes to state over and over is just plain wrong. This team is tough and fights hard. We lost our composure in four of those games at the end, but they were still trying the hearts out.

[wusphlash]

Number of times on ESPN?

[wufan]

Re: How many firsts has this team set this season?

I think for a few posters who complain that this season wasn't a success this might put things in a new light?

This team will still have underachieved by falling flat on their face everytime an opportunity came knocking during the regular season and in the Lou. They racked up a lot of that against weak teams and in a weak conference.

Rare disagreement with Sub.

We only lost to 1.5 "weak" teams. We lost to three sweet-16 calibre teams in the non-con. We lost to a strong MSU twice. We lost to a hot UNI (before O'Drear got injured). Then we lost to SIU (weak) and Indiana State (medium) who was hot and beat MSU.

Given then 1.5 let downs, this team has done an incredible turn around to rebound and even elevate their game.

The point is this, the Shox were 0 and 8 in the eight most important games of the season. And I do say they were the most important as we all knew that UNI or MSU would be at the top of the Valley, SIU was to maintain not having a bad loss and the rest speak for themselves. We go 4 and 4 or better in those 8 games, we make the dance. Not winning one of those damn games speaks volumes as to not capitalizing on opportunities.

Yes, we didn't win those games. Other than SIU none of them were "weak" though. And at NO point did our team stop fighting -- which is evident by looking at the scores.

To imply that this team is "soft" as Shoxmvc likes to state over and over is just plain wrong. This team is tough and fights hard. We lost our composure in four of those games at the end, but they were still trying the hearts out.

We were 1-6 in the 8 most important games of the season. Here's why:

Most important was Sunday in St Louis. We did not participate. Next was Saturday in St. Louis. 0-1. Third was Friday in St. Louis which we won. Fourth was UConn and that puts us at 1-2. Next was SDSU, 1-3, then VCU, 1-4, followed by at MSU, 1-5 and home against MSU, 1-6.

You only include SIU as a "most important" because we lost. What about at Bradley or against Ill St or Alabama A and M? Were those "the most important?" No, because we won. You can't wait for the outcome of a game to decide if it was important or not.

I maintain 1-6 in the eight most crucial games of the season (not a good record) but we are 26-2 for every other game!!! We did miss our opportunities, but look at who we lost to: 4 NCAA teams, 1 of which is in the elite 8 and 2 of which made the sweet 16. SIU was a BAD loss, and while we coulda woulda shoulda, the other conference losses were against good competition and 14-4 ain't bad, even in a down MVC.

[KC Shox]

Re: How many firsts has this team set this season?

I think for a few posters who complain that this season wasn't a success this might put things in a new light?

This team will still have underachieved by falling flat on their face everytime an opportunity came knocking during the regular season and in the Lou. They racked up a lot of that against weak teams and in a weak conference.

Rare disagreement with Sub.

We only lost to 1.5 "weak" teams. We lost to three sweet-16 calibre teams in the non-con. We lost to a strong MSU twice. We lost to a hot UNI (before O'Drear got injured). Then we lost to SIU (weak) and Indiana State (medium) who was hot and beat MSU.

Given then 1.5 let downs, this team has done an incredible turn around to rebound and even elevate their game.

The point is this, the Shox were 0 and 8 in the eight most important games of the season. And I do say they were the most important as we all knew that UNI or MSU would be at the top of the Valley, SIU was to maintain not having a bad loss and the rest speak for themselves. We go 4 and 4 or better in those 8 games, we make the dance. Not winning one of those damn games speaks volumes as to not capitalizing on opportunities.

Yes, we didn't win those games. Other than SIU none of them were "weak" though. And at NO point did our team stop fighting -- which is evident by looking at the scores.

To imply that this team is "soft" as Shoxmvc likes to state over and over is just plain wrong. This team is tough and fights hard. We lost our composure in four of those games at the end, but they were still trying the hearts out.

I'm not implying that the team is 'soft' I'm simply saying that the Shox didn't do jack when it counted. It's disappointing knowing that they couldn't get one, two, three wins against these teams. It's been mentioned time-and-time again that missed opportunities cost this team. There is no better way to say it. They had a chance to handle business and they didn't.

I'm glad they are doing it now, just wish it was sooner.

[60Shock]

I really do not want to knock our coach or the players. They are playing superb ball now and look like they are having a great time, which each one of them deserves. We have been privileged to have had a team this season which played very exciting ball and often excelled.

But, yes, I am disappointed that they did not play this same brand of ball when it really would have counted during the season or in the MVC tournament. I beleive they came close in the UCONN game, but flopped for one reason or another in our other key games against opponents that we really needed to beat to get selected into the NCAA tournament. Had we just won half of these games, we would very likely have been dancing.

While number of wins against weak schools may look or sound good, they sure did not appear to fool many NCAA selection members, now did they.

We have had a successful season. More importantly, we are having a great run in the NIT. Let's all enjoy it. And, if any of these so coined records will entice a top recruit to sign a letter of intent, then the more the better.

Now more importantly, lets beat WAZOO!

[ShockBand]

NCAA>NIT/CBI/CIT>Abyss of the 90s

[WuShockFan]

Some more firsts:

First Shocker team to play in the NIT semifinals.

First Shocker team to play in the NIT semifinals in Madison Square Garden. WSU played in the NIT in Madison Square Garden in 1954, 1962, 1963, and 1966, but they lost their first and only game in the tournament in each of those years. This was back in the day when all of the NIT games were played at Madison Square Garden.

First Shocker team to play in the Maui Invitational.

With a win over Washington State, there would be three additional firsts:

First Shocker team to play in the NIT championship game.

First Shocker team to win an NIT game in Madison Square Garden.

First Shocker team to win 28 or more games in a season. The current team has already tied the 1953-54 team for most wins in a season at 27 wins.

[SHOXAAC]

Re: How many firsts has this team set this season?

I think for a few posters who complain that this season wasn't a success this might put things in a new light?

This team will still have underachieved by falling flat on their face everytime an opportunity came knocking during the regular season and in the Lou. They racked up a lot of that against weak teams and in a weak conference.

Rare disagreement with Sub.

We only lost to 1.5 "weak" teams. We lost to three sweet-16 calibre teams in the non-con. We lost to a strong MSU twice. We lost to a hot UNI (before O'Drear got injured). Then we lost to SIU (weak) and Indiana State (medium) who was hot and beat MSU.

Given then 1.5 let downs, this team has done an incredible turn around to rebound and even elevate their game.

The point is this, the Shox were 0 and 8 in the eight most important games of the season. And I do say they were the most important as we all knew that UNI or MSU would be at the top of the Valley, SIU was to maintain not having a bad loss and the rest speak for themselves. We go 4 and 4 or better in those 8 games, we make the dance. Not winning one of those damn games speaks volumes as to not capitalizing on opportunities.

Yes, we didn't win those games. Other than SIU none of them were "weak" though. And at NO point did our team stop fighting -- which is evident by looking at the scores.

To imply that this team is "soft" as Shoxmvc likes to state over and over is just plain wrong. This team is tough and fights hard. We lost our composure in four of those games at the end, but they were still trying the hearts out.

I'm not implying that the team is 'soft' I'm simply saying that the Shox didn't do jack when it counted. It's disappointing knowing that they couldn't get one, two, three wins against these teams. It's been mentioned time-and-time again that missed opportunities cost this team. There is no better way to say it. They had a chance to handle business and they didn't.

I'm glad they are doing it now, just wish it was sooner.

I will stand by soft...and for anybody to discount it is certainly entitled to their opinion.

With this "perceived" talent; with the "perceived" great coach; with this GREAT fanbase, this team just plain layed some eggs when real toughness would have carried them through. How many times after we trailed in games did we make great comebacks just to see us do something dumb near the end of some of our losses.

We can argue about what "soft" means. This team underperformed based on the expectations...PERIOD. This current run is a great example of what was expected from them over the course of the first 32 games. A great coach and players with a championship mentality would have won the regular season Valley and Valley tourny. They just weren't tough and focused enough.

They have brought it the past three games and there is nobody that will cheer harder for them the NEXT TWO games than me.
:wsu_posters: :goshocks: :posterwu: :posterwsu:

[another shocker]

Firsts? They won all of those road games by double digits avg (at UNI +16, at Creighton +14, at Ill St +14, at Bradley +14 or something like that/those etc). This NIT version of the Shockers is that same road team that we saw all year long.

So what happened in the MVC tournament BTW? Why the "stuck in the mud" syndrome?

[HarpBros]

NCAA>NIT/CBI/CIT>Abyss of the 90s

True so true ... I keep reminding people who got to school during the end of the Turgeon run that we should be thankful for what have been able to maintain. Before those days we were happy for 13 wins a season.

http://statsheet.com/mcb/teams/wichita-state/trends?t=wins_losses

The 90's is what killed playing the BCS boys northeast of us.

It's nice to complain about having 8 loses.