Rutgers vs St. Johns

[fairbanksfan]

I thought these types of things only happened to Wichita State? hmmmmmmm. Notice how it is a huge story because it took place in the mighty Big East live on the mother ship.

[wu_shizzle]

The Higgins there is Tim Higgins - the Higgins we get often is John "Hollywood" Higgins.

Good catch!

[wusphlash]

Remember K-State several years ago had a player do the same thing in the tourny vs. Colorado I think. The refs got it right, the Buffs got a last shot and made it count.

2003 - Pervis Pasco running down the floor with the ball and time on the clock.

[WuDrWu]

I was wondering where that comment came from as watching the game there was certainly no "prettyboy" wearing stripes.


John Higgins is as good as it gets.

[ShockTalk]

If a traveling or out of bounds call had been made (and should have) they could have reviewed the time. As the clock would have stopped at the time of either violation and there was time left, it shouldn't matter what the player thought about the game being over. It wouldn't have been and a delay of game T should have been called as well. I think Adams was just covering up another error.

ShockRef and Sub, please feel free to correct my unexperienced opinion.

[ShockerFever]

No comments by the in-house refereeing crew because it's indefensible.

How could you possibly mess that up so badly, especially when that is your FREAKING JOB?

It's not like the buzzer sounded right at that moment. There was a 2 second difference between the foot touching out of bounds and the horn sounding. The official on the left side on tv (may have been Higgins) looked like he was looking right at it but never blew the whistle. The T should have been assessed as well.

That was a total eff-up and makes it look like the winner was pre-determined during the final minute. Sounds dumb but it's true.

[tropicalshox]

I think we might see that one years from now as a top 10 sports screw up.

[1979Shocker]

Yep, I seen that too. The refs just took off headed out. I thought they are to check the monitors at the end of games?? Rutgers ball half court with 1.8 down 2.

That's plenty of time for Rutgers to score. Just ask Booker Woodfox.

[SHOXAAC]

No comments by the in-house refereeing crew because it's indefensible.

How could you possibly mess that up so badly, especially when that is your FREAKING JOB?

It's not like the buzzer sounded right at that moment. There was a 2 second difference between the foot touching out of bounds and the horn sounding. The official on the left side on tv (may have been Higgins) looked like he was looking right at it but never blew the whistle. The T should have been assessed as well.
That was a total eff-up and makes it look like the winner was pre-determined during the final minute. Sounds dumb but it's true.

I agree except for the T. As time-challenged as he obviously was today, the kids' intent was very innocent and harmless. That kind of celebration is OK...no harm no foul. The whole management scene, or lack there of, by the officials was beyond embarassing and heads should roll.

[tropicalshox]

The word is there shouldn't of been a monitor check because there was no whistle. Nothing really to check. You can't use the monitor to check to see if a travel or out of bounds call should of been made.

The refs went to sleep the last 2 seconds of the game. The commissioner of the Big East should of marched down there and sent the teams back out. To heck with what you can and can't do by the rules. If people screw up that bad, you got to do something about it.

[ShockerFever]

No comments by the in-house refereeing crew because it's indefensible.

How could you possibly mess that up so badly, especially when that is your FREAKING JOB?

It's not like the buzzer sounded right at that moment. There was a 2 second difference between the foot touching out of bounds and the horn sounding. The official on the left side on tv (may have been Higgins) looked like he was looking right at it but never blew the whistle. The T should have been assessed as well.
That was a total eff-up and makes it look like the winner was pre-determined during the final minute. Sounds dumb but it's true.

I agree except for the T. As time-challenged as he obviously was today, the kids' intent was very innocent and harmless. That kind of celebration is OK...no harm no foul. The whole management scene, or lack there of, by the officials was beyond embarassing and heads should roll.

I understand your point and where you're coming from, but rules are rules. That's why I wouldn't even do it in the first place, especially when you're bragging about beating Rutgers in the first game of your conference tournament.

[SHOXAAC]

The word is there shouldn't of been a monitor check because there was no whistle. Nothing really to check. You can't use the monitor to check to see if a travel or out of bounds call should of been made.

The refs went to sleep the last 2 seconds of the game. The commissioner of the Big East should of marched down there and sent the teams back out. To heck with what you can and can't do by the rules. If people screw up that bad, you got to do something about it.

I, along with many on this board, have begged for officials to swallow their whistles at the end of games (VCU), but today took it to a disturbing level.

[ShockTalk]

No comments by the in-house refereeing crew because it's indefensible.

How could you possibly mess that up so badly, especially when that is your FREAKING JOB?

It's not like the buzzer sounded right at that moment. There was a 2 second difference between the foot touching out of bounds and the horn sounding. The official on the left side on tv (may have been Higgins) looked like he was looking right at it but never blew the whistle. The T should have been assessed as well.
That was a total eff-up and makes it look like the winner was pre-determined during the final minute. Sounds dumb but it's true.

I agree except for the T. As time-challenged as he obviously was today, the kids' intent was very innocent and harmless. That kind of celebration is OK...no harm no foul. The whole management scene, or lack there of, by the officials was beyond embarassing and heads should roll.

First, let me say that I understand they can't review the violations discussed if a whistle had not been blown and they won't call a T if the game is over.

MVC, your "no harm, no foul" doesn't hold water. Earlier this year we had a discussion regarding a bounced ball and our local refs were very united that a T had to be called. In that case, a foul had been called on team A at their end of the court and that foul had "locked up the game" for the team B. As they walked to the other end, a player for the "winning" team B, without looking at an opposing player or their bench and without saying anything or looking over joyed, bounce the ball about 3' over his head and the ball came down in his complete control as he was walking. A player from team A pointed at it and at that same time a ref called the T. His team B did not get to shoot FTs and the team A won on the 2 made FTs from the T.

[The Mad Hatter]

The word is there shouldn't of been a monitor check because there was no whistle. Nothing really to check. You can't use the monitor to check to see if a travel or out of bounds call should of been made.

The refs went to sleep the last 2 seconds of the game. The commissioner of the Big East should of marched down there and sent the teams back out. To heck with what you can and can't do by the rules. If people screw up that bad, you got to do something about it.

I, along with many on this board, have begged for officials to swallow their whistles at the end of games (VCU), but today took it to a disturbing level.

There is a major difference between calling a foul based on body contact (which is a judgment call) and not bothering to pay attention to whether a player is out of bounds with time still on the clock (which is not a judgment call).

In regards to the issue of a technical. The intent of the player shouldn't matter. We just had a cheerleader almost lose a game for his team because he threw a ball in the air with time still left on the clock.

The player threw the ball into the crowd well before a buzzer sounded. That (like the out of bounds) isn't a judgment call. It is a technical.

[ShockRef]

They can review to set the time.

However in this case, there was no whistle stopping the clock, so it is not reviewable.

Of course they blew it and there's no defending any part of it. There's no argument here or by anyone. The man himself has spoken and deemed it "unacceptable" and when John Adams talks, we listen!

The easiest prediction was Fever going his usual ape shat over the call and calling for rules changes, court trials and eventual be-headings.

The funny part of the thread was everyone jumping on John Higgins tail before watching the tape, not knowing there are two Higgins working D-1 ball.

Believe me, there is a big difference between the two and I'm not just talking about their physique. 8)