We are ALL TALK!!

[eeshocker]

Man u guys suck. Quit wallowing in your self pity. If shocker basketball define anything in your life - you are a loser. It is only entertainment and life goes on win or lose. And the funny thing is none of you actually have any bearing on what wsu does on the court or on the field.

With all do respect, SCREW YOU. WSU's ammenenities, travel accommodations, coaching pay, fan support & pretty much any measure but the BcS conference thing are competitive with anyone in the country. This team was their own worse enemy all season long. One ,NCAA appearance in 20-25 years is a disgrace.

the support wasnt there prior to turgeon. so your best argument is a 10 year period but no where near the 25 years you claim.

You cannot possibly be serious.

Maybe your support wasn't there until the past 10 years, but I sat through every home game from the Cohen/Thompson/Smithson era and I would beg to differ. The support was there. There was just as much talk and hype. And it was much more warranted because we were not that far removed from greatness. I can also remember us actually beating some ranked teams during those stretches. When our boys went out and fought for the home court when they were clearly out-matched. So don't pull this 10 year crap.

I went to school in the mid/late 90s and attended almost every game during that time. I actually enjoyed watching some of those teams. We might not have been the most talented, but we always had players that hustled, fought hard, and had a toughness about them. I would trade some of the defense those late 90s teams played for some of the offense they play now. And as for fan support, the house may not have been packed every game, but it was loud.

[ShockerFever]

Man u guys suck. Quit wallowing in your self pity.

With all do respect, SCREW YOU. WSU's ammenenities, travel accommodations, coaching pay, fan support & pretty much any measure but the BcS conference thing are competitive with anyone in the country. This team was their own worse enemy all season long. One ,NCAA appearance in 20-25 years is a disgrace.

Then quit going to the games if it such a disgrace and you are so ashamed(if you even go or even pay to go). Or maybe you should go and picket Marshall office ths week - let him know what you think.


Frankly when I left wsu (before I came back and got my masters) wsu was top 25 basketball team. The baseball team was NCAA champions - then these new generation of shocker fans came along and screwed it up.

Please don't blame it on the fans. That's really lame.

Fans getting pissed at their team for their lack of execution and lack of coaching for a chance to get to the NCAA's doesn't make them any less fans. In fact, I think it makes them even more of fans.

I question people who simply don't care what happened yesterday and are trying to make a "life lesson" about it.

[BenWSU]

Jamie Arnold was in one if my classes & I remember him quitting on Smithson. That was interesting moment.

[ShockerFever]

Expectations did play a role yes.

............................2006................20 11
Picked to finish:.......5th...................1st
Finished:.................1st...................2n d
Record after St.L:.....24-8................25-8
Conference record:14-4...................14-4
St. Louis exit:.........Semifinals.........Semifinals
NCAA:.....................Yes...................NO

But ultimately we are judged by making the Big Dance. The fact that we never had a realistic chance after February 15th really makes things more sour.

This was our best shot at the tournament in at least the next 2-3 years.

Extremely disappointing.

[Aargh]

Expectations did play a roll yes.

............................2006................20 11
Picked to finish:.......5th...................1st
Finished:.................1st...................2n d
Record after St.L:.....24-8................25-8
Conference record:14-4...................14-4
St. Louis exit:.........Semifinals.........Semifinals
NCAA:.....................Yes...................NO

But ultimately we are judged by making the Big Dance. The fact that we never had a realistic chance after February 15th really makes things more sour.

This was our best shot at the tournament in at least the next 2-3 years.

Extremely disappointing.

MVC conference rating - 2006 5th (moved past B12 during the Dance
MVC conference rating - 2011 12th

That's a huge difference.

[NCAABound]

This might not be a little off topic, but my concern is when do the donors and administration start to get disgruntled at all of this money (in comparison to other like schools) they are dumping into this program and pull back a little? If they see other schools paying their coaches 1/2 the money with better results, do they go cheap on the next hire (whenever that is)? Do they continue to dump money into better facilities, etc?

The more "disappointments" we have, the closer we are to pointing our arrow in the wrong direction, IMO. You either grow the program and move it forward, or you're going backwards in this day and age.

[ShockerFever]

Expectations did play a roll yes.

............................2006................20 11
Picked to finish:.......5th...................1st
Finished:.................1st...................2n d
Record after St.L:.....24-8................25-8
Conference record:14-4...................14-4
St. Louis exit:.........Semifinals.........Semifinals
NCAA:.....................Yes...................NO

But ultimately we are judged by making the Big Dance. The fact that we never had a realistic chance after February 15th really makes things more sour.

This was our best shot at the tournament in at least the next 2-3 years.

Extremely disappointing.

MVC conference rating - 2006 5th (moved past B12 during the Dance
MVC conference rating - 2011 12th

That's a huge difference.

I realize that but I'm just comparing the basic statistics with each. I'm definitely not defending this season or anything like that. It's just we did similar things in albeit a weaker league.

It sucks.

[eeshocker]

Expectations did play a roll yes.

............................2006................20 11
Picked to finish:.......5th...................1st
Finished:.................1st...................2n d
Record after St.L:.....24-8................25-8
Conference record:14-4...................14-4
St. Louis exit:.........Semifinals.........Semifinals
NCAA:.....................Yes...................NO

But ultimately we are judged by making the Big Dance. The fact that we never had a realistic chance after February 15th really makes things more sour.

This was our best shot at the tournament in at least the next 2-3 years.

Extremely disappointing.

MVC conference rating - 2006 5th (moved past B12 during the Dance
MVC conference rating - 2011 12th

That's a huge difference.

I realize that but I'm just comparing the basic statistics with each. I'm definitely not defending this season or anything like that. It's just we did similar things in albeit a weaker league.

It sucks.

This years Shockers would have been middle of the pack at best in 2006, imo. That was a huge year for the MVC.

[eeshocker]

This might not be a little off topic, but my concern is when do the donors and administration start to get disgruntled at all of this money (in comparison to other like schools) they are dumping into this program and pull back a little? If they see other schools paying their coaches 1/2 the money with better results, do they go cheap on the next hire (whenever that is)? Do they continue to dump money into better facilities, etc?

The more "disappointments" we have, the closer we are to pointing our arrow in the wrong direction, IMO. You either grow the program and move it forward, or you're going backwards in this day and age.

As long as the fans keep paying for tickets, they will continue to spend money. If the fans stop coming, they will pull back on the money. Not sure, but I bet the basketball program makes some money, so they won't risk putting a lesser product on the court (although some would say they already have).

[BostonWu]

I agree with the original premise of the thread that it's past due time to ratchet down the rhetoric on our team...HOWEVER, Shocker fans should still be walking tall considering the support and resources afforded to this program. No Shocker fan should take shittolla from any other fan about this being a mid-major stepchild program. Their is nothing mid-major about the volume of season tickets sales, quality of facilities, game day environment, fan support on the road, corporate jets and overall recruiting budget, etc.

So in a nutshell you have to separate the product/results from ammenities/support that are all factors that contribute to the overall program. And yes I'm definitely shutting my trap about this team until the results are in.

That is all well and fine, but the results you get from it are always linked to the overall support the program has ... always, and WSU is seen as underachieving on a long term basis. Until we get the results we are all looking for on the court, we will not become the next Gonzaga.

Not disagreeing on any of this.

[jocoshock]

Re: We are ALL TALK!!

On almost every aspect, we are all talk.

We have won nothing in 25 years and we act like we are the class of everything, and everybody we play. We have 1 regular season title and 1 NCAA appearance. Big whoop! That is embarrassing. And days like today, just make me want to throw up. We are the biggest jokes in the Valley right now. We talk and talk and talk about how we have the best this and the best that, and when it comes time to put up, we fold like a cheap suit every time.

We talk about how we need to get out of the Valley. Hell, seriously? We can't even make it to the finals of the tournament.

I don't know. One sweet 16 appearance is great and all, but we need to have a nice warm glass of STFU until we win something. I'll take the first swig.

Bring on baseball, oh wait, more of the same there too come May and June.

The optimism, arrogance, and expectations of the SN membership has never matched reality. Have never understood the arrogance part, but totally understand the other two.

Nobody is forced to be a Shocker fan. You choose to be one. I have been once since I was 9 years old, through thick and thin, and it's the REALLY bad times that make you appreciate the good times, even when they fall short of expectations. How else could you explain the number of Shocker fans who outnumber everyone else in St. Louis when they have the farthest to go and the worst luck of anyone in Arch Madness history.

I can't wait for next season, even if it is a "rebuilding" year. We have a quality coach, quality players/men wearing the uniform, and respect in the College basketball world, even if we aren't going to the dance.

:goshocks:

[SB Shock]

Man u guys suck. Quit wallowing in your self pity.

With all do respect, SCREW YOU. WSU's ammenenities, travel accommodations, coaching pay, fan support & pretty much any measure but the BcS conference thing are competitive with anyone in the country. This team was their own worse enemy all season long. One ,NCAA appearance in 20-25 years is a disgrace.

Then quit going to the games if it such a disgrace and you are so ashamed(if you even go or even pay to go). Or maybe you should go and picket Marshall office ths week - let him know what you think.


Frankly when I left wsu (before I came back and got my masters) wsu was top 25 basketball team. The baseball team was NCAA champions - then these new generation of shocker fans came along and screwed it up.

Please don't blame it on the fans. That's really lame.

I didn't start this thread. I'm just showing you how stupid some of the people logic is.

I question people who simply don't care what happened yesterday and are trying to make a "life lesson" about it.

So you think if somebody didn't come out and have to be put on suicide watch that they are some how a lesser fan? Get a grip.

I was willing to invest my time, vacation and money to travel to STL and root the Shocks on while you sat at home. If you really was a great Shocker fan that you think you were - you would have been there.

I suppose after they lost and you were cussing them. Well I was clapping for our men. They wanted to win, I saw the pain on their face in person. Sorry I'm not going to join in the pity part. It was a fun year for Shocker basketball. Had some ups and downs but this program did some fun things. Overall it had a lot more ups than downs.

[ShockerFever]

So you think if somebody didn't come out and have to be put on suicide watch that they are some how a lesser fan? Get a grip.

No, I didn't say that. I'm saying the ones that are venting don't need to be chastised for it. Fans deal with things in different ways. You railing on people for being pissed off at not making the NCAA's is stupid. You need to get the grip.

I was willing to invest my time, vacation and money to travel to STL and root the Shocks on while you sat at home. If you really was a great Shocker fan that you think you were - you would have been there.

Oh, so now anybody who didn't go to St. Louis is not a "great" Shocker fan. I guess we only have about 2,000 "great" Shocker fans. Time for us to implode Koch and play over at Friends University Gym.

I'm glad you had the fortune of investing your money into the NIT this year. I did the same with my season tickets. I guess we're even?

I suppose after they lost and you were cussing them. Well I was clapping for our men. They wanted to win, I saw the pain on their face in person. Sorry I'm not going to join in the pity part. It was a fun year for Shocker basketball. Had some ups and downs but this program did some fun things. Overall it had a lot more ups than downs.

You betcha I was cussing, not at the players, but at other people and things. I guess I was just too much emotionally invested in the team for the entire year and watching them flail out early, short of their ultimate goal, kinda did it for me. Forgive me for not being clappy happy.

This program did some fun things? I guess if making another NIT, finishing 2nd in a conference we were picked to win, and flailing out before another final in St. Louis was "fun", then you and me have a LOT of different definitions for what fun means.

[SB Shock]

So you think if somebody didn't come out and have to be put on suicide watch that they are some how a lesser fan? Get a grip.

No, I didn't say that.

Yes you did.

I question people who simply don't care what happened yesterday and are trying to make a "life lesson" about it.

You can tell a lot about people character of how they act when things don't go the right way.

I was willing to invest my time, vacation and money to travel to STL and root the Shocks on while you sat at home. If you really was a great Shocker fan that you think you were - you would have been there.

Oh, so now anybody who didn't go to St. Louis is not a "great" Shocker fan.

Actually no I don't. If your shocker fan your shocker fan. There are not levels of fan hood.

But if you want to start judging others by how deep their black and gold runs - hey I can play that game also and we can use some real, indisputable metrics - lets go.

There were some hard core fans who couldn't come down until Saturday - 7 hours to see WSU lose and 7 hours back.

I know some Shocker fans who came in from Atlanta for the Shocker games.

The reality is there were hard shocker fan there in STL and those who couldn't be there.

I'm glad you had the fortune of investing your money into the NIT this year. I did the same with my season tickets. I guess we're even?

You know what Shocker basketball is for me - it is a family affair. Me and my sister family get together where for every shocker game we go out together and eat supper and then go cheer on the Shocks.

[Overtime]

We have a great facility, pay our coach close to a million a year, the program is well funded, it is the darling of the city and has 10,500 fans every nite. That is the basis for at least a top 40-50 program year in and year out with a trip to the NCAA at least every other year. I think that is realistic and that is why I am discouraged.