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  • The whole scheduling thing...

    So after reading through several of these bubble threads, I would think we could agree on the following:
    - 25 wins against bad competion is not going to reliably get us in the tournament
    - The BCS is not going to play us in Wichita, even with 2 for 1's. We need to get past this and quit worrying about them.
    - Seems like RPI used to be "the thing". Now its OOC SOS, and top 100 wins and loses. This is where we need to focus.
    - one bad game can sink our whole season. Our margins are razor thin. We need more breathing room
    - Playing bad BCS teams is a lose-lose for us (i.e. LSU & Virginia). If we win it means absolutely nothing. If we lose, it just reinforces the BCS stereotypes.

    Back in 2006 in the MVC glory days, the MVC was accused of scamming the system. Well, I say lets start scamming the system again!

    Here's what I would propose...

    Lets set up a BCS busters cartel. We'll find 16 of the best non-BCS schools that can read the tea leaves and we'll set up our own in-season "tournament". To get into this cartel, we'll set a criteria that you need to be a top 100 team over most of the last 5 years.

    For the tournament, we'll setup four doubleheader nights (four teams at a site). Each team will host a doubleheader (giving them a true home game), and play three other doubleheaders, one of which will be against a host school (true road game), and the other two as the 2nd game of the doubleheader making them neutral site games.

    So the benefit is each of the schools gets four games against top 100 (or top 50) RPI teams, gets one guaranteed at home, and only has to play one true road game.

    If we could do that, keep playing an annual non-exempt tournament (which should get us a couple of BCS games), keep the Tulsa series, MW Challenge, and Bracketbusters, that should give us 9 quality non-con games with a maximum of 4 true road games, and in some years, only one or two true road game. It would also guarantee us one good non-con opponent at home every year. And you know the way things are going for Butler, Gonzaga, and Memphis, they might even be interested.

    If we normally play 11 non-con games, that still leaves two buy in games... that should be worlds.

    That kind of schedule should get us something close to a top 25 OOC SOS. If we go 6 & 5, 13 & 5 in conference, does that get us in? It would sure get a BCS team in. thoughts???

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    In my opinion, the only thing that will fix this is a total boycott of the BCS home game buyout. That will never happen. You need the Grand Valley States of the world to refuse to go to Syracuse or Maryland, etc.

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    • #3
      Or better yet, remove the bottom 15 conferences from D1. Its not going to happen, nor is the boycott. Its all stacked for the BCS. We've got to beat the system.

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      • #4
        I like it.

        Normally the MVC has 5 (up to 7) teams in the top 100 which should give us at least 8 potential games against top 100 teams in our conference schedule. This year the MVC is down....way down. The only reason we are "un-proven" is we are having a great year but our 2 BCS wins are against normally good teams and our league (other than MSU) is horrible.

        If we could implement this plan and the rest of our league gets off their collective arse's.......problem's solved.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by MadDog
          Or better yet, remove the bottom 15 conferences from D1. Its not going to happen, nor is the boycott. Its all stacked for the BCS. We've got to beat the system.
          We better be careful what we wish for. In a few years, the Valley could be one of the bottom 15 conferences.

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          • #6
            mad dog, good thoughts...

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            • #7
              I like it. Let's do it.

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              • #8
                IMO, what we, as WSU, needs to do is go after the Marquette's, Boston College's, Baylor's and Cincinnati's of the world. Mid-level BCS teams that have somewhat of a track record of being solid teams year after year, but need a little oompf with higher RPI OOC wins since they sometimes have trouble finishing in the top quarter (or even half) of their conference. I don't even care if they go 1 game at their place, then want to play at a neutral place instead of the Roundhouse. Just as long as we get some Top 50 competition OOC. Then we don't have to worry about that one bad game that can sink our season (SIU). This is how Gonzaga got to where they are now. Playing away and at neutral sites until they got some "street cred".

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                • #9
                  Re: The whole scheduling thing...

                  Originally posted by MadDog
                  - Seems like RPI used to be "the thing". Now its OOC SOS, and top 100 wins and loses. This is where we need to focus.
                  RPI is important if you're a BCS team. It'll keep you in the tourney. Not so for the middies. Also, a Top 50 win over a middy (St. Mary's, MSU) isn't the same as a Top 50 win over a BCS team (Kansas State, UCLA).

                  It's a flawed system with all kinds of faulty logic.
                  Deuces Valley.
                  ... No really, deuces.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by XManCometh
                    IMO, what we, as WSU, needs to do is go after the Marquette's, Boston College's, Baylor's and Cincinnati's of the world. Mid-level BCS teams that have somewhat of a track record of being solid teams year after year, but need a little oompf with higher RPI OOC wins since they sometimes have trouble finishing in the top quarter (or even half) of their conference. I don't even care if they go 1 game at their place, then want to play at a neutral place instead of the Roundhouse. Just as long as we get some Top 50 competition OOC. Then we don't have to worry about that one bad game that can sink our season (SIU). This is how Gonzaga got to where they are now. Playing away and at neutral sites until they got some "street cred".
                    Or how about some solid mid-majors who have a good track record over the past 5 years like Dayton, Richmond, George Mason, UAB, Cleveland State, UNLV, New Mexico, Murry State, Saint Mary's, Utah State, Gonzaga, Butler. These programs might be more inclined to schedule than the mid-level BS (I mean BCS) schools.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by XManCometh
                      IMO, what we, as WSU, needs to do is go after the Marquette's, Boston College's, Baylor's and Cincinnati's of the world. Mid-level BCS teams that have somewhat of a track record of being solid teams year after year, but need a little oompf with higher RPI OOC wins since they sometimes have trouble finishing in the top quarter (or even half) of their conference. I don't even care if they go 1 game at their place, then want to play at a neutral place instead of the Roundhouse. Just as long as we get some Top 50 competition OOC. Then we don't have to worry about that one bad game that can sink our season (SIU). This is how Gonzaga got to where they are now. Playing away and at neutral sites until they got some "street cred".
                      Let me understand. To schedule mid-tier BCS teams, you suggest one true road game (at their place) and you don't care if they return the game to Koch You would settle for a neutral site game. Okay. Where do we get enough home games to satisfy the season ticket holder. I, for one, am very tired of the Maryland Eastern Shores, or whatever the name is.

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