With 6 seconds left...

[ShockTalk]

You know, it's best that we just not get into needing a 3 ball at the end. The Shocks are no longer a good 3 pt shooting team...period.

Too many of us are still remembering the first 7 games where the Shocks were shooting almost 43% from the 3. Since that time, the last 18 games, we're only .339 from the 3.

Kyles, since the start of Valley play, is hitting only .280. Ragland, Murry and Durley are between .298 and .309 for the year. Smith is our clear cut best option, Hatch next, but if Smith is in, Hatch may not be. Next best options are Williams then Stutz and they probably won't be in either. If I was the other team, I'd make sure Smith doesn't touch the ball and I'll take my chances with the rest.

[ShockerFever]

You know, it's best that we just not get into needing a 3 ball at the end. The Shocks are no longer a good 3 pt shooting team...period.

Too many of us are still remembering the first 7 games where the Shocks were shooting almost 43% from the 3. Since that time, the last 18 games, we're only .339 from the 3.

Kyles, since the start of Valley play, is hitting only .280. Ragland, Murry and Durley are between .298 and .309 for the year. Smith is our clear cut best option, Hatch next, but if Smith is in, Hatch may not be. Next best options are Williams then Stutz and they probably won't be in either. If I was the other team, I'd make sure Smith doesn't touch the ball and I'll take my chances with the rest.

That's a pretty good observation ST. Our percentage has really sunk in the Valley. But then just a couple days ago, we had an article in the Eagle that basically said that Marshall has given free reigns to everybody in terms of shooting. That was impeccable timing with that article before Tuesday night's game. But even before last night, it has cost us quite a few games and nearly cost us in others. Marshall threatened to give the "red light" if percentages started to sag. Well, I think they've sagged enough. How about implementing some discipline now, coach? It's clear now that this team can't just show up and shoot whatever shots they want, without any repercussions, and expect to look awesome and get the W. How about we go back to passing first, shooting second? We looked so good when we did those things.

If we lose on Saturday night, we better be losing because we got simply outplayed, not due to the fact of us throwing up ridiculous, donkey shots that are essentially turnovers every time down the floor.

COACH the kids, COACH.

[ShockTalk]

You know, it's best that we just not get into needing a 3 ball at the end. The Shocks are no longer a good 3 pt shooting team...period.

Too many of us are still remembering the first 7 games where the Shocks were shooting almost 43% from the 3. Since that time, the last 18 games, we're only .339 from the 3.

Kyles, since the start of Valley play, is hitting only .280. Ragland, Murry and Durley are between .298 and .309 for the year. Smith is our clear cut best option, Hatch next, but if Smith is in, Hatch may not be. Next best options are Williams then Stutz and they probably won't be in either. If I was the other team, I'd make sure Smith doesn't touch the ball and I'll take my chances with the rest.

That's a pretty good observation ST. Our percentage has really sunk in the Valley. But then just a couple days ago, we had an article in the Eagle that basically said that Marshall has given free reigns to everybody in terms of shooting. That was impeccable timing with that article before Tuesday night's game. But even before last night, it has cost us quite a few games and nearly cost us in others. Marshall threatened to give the "red light" if percentages started to sag. Well, I think they've sagged enough. How about implementing some discipline now, coach? It's clear now that this team can't just show up and shoot whatever shots they want, without any repercussions, and expect to look awesome and get the W. How about we go back to passing first, shooting second? We looked so good when we did those things.

If we lose on Saturday night, we better be losing because we got simply outplayed, not due to the fact of us throwing up ridiculous, donkey shots that are essentially turnovers every time down the floor.

COACH the kids, COACH.

That's the key, SF. It's the type of 3 pt shots we take, not the number of shots. A number of posters have complained about the large number of 3s we take. Well, here's the numbers.

When we take 20 or more 3s (13 games), we've shot .370. You take out the only 2 bad (very bad) games the Shocks have had in that 13 and they've shot .406 for the season.

When the Shocks take less than 20 3s (12 games), they've shot .358. The games they've shot the fewest 3s (5 games - 11 and 4 games of 15), the Shocks are .338.

Yes, they've were 3 crazy in two games, but generally, when their hot or the perimeter defense isn't as good, they take more shots and are successful. Where the opponents defense is good against the 3 or they're not shooting well, they take fewer 3s.

[ShockRef]

You know what, the game shouldn't even have come down to praying for a 3 point basket. It just happened to be the last blown play of a game full of bad plays. I can say this though, the Toure magic as a freshman nailing down game winners has gone the way of the DoDo.

This. I really think we only played the first 5 minutes - the rest of the game was blown.

Finally had a chance to watch a DVD that was sent and Vance is right - they played for about 5 minutes and then checked out. After the first 5, there was more energy at a funeral parlor.

Stutz was the big time buzz kill. He played like he had a bad case of 'Roids.

Blair played with his usual energy, but couldn't hit a shot to save himself.

More D. Williams would be a welcomed sight.

Yes, he makes the nightly bad decision, but he also makes things happen. That was a game where something, anything needed to happen to wake them up.

That is all. 8)

[Kung Wu]

You know what, the game shouldn't even have come down to praying for a 3 point basket. It just happened to be the last blown play of a game full of bad plays. I can say this though, the Toure magic as a freshman nailing down game winners has gone the way of the DoDo.

This. I really think we only played the first 5 minutes - the rest of the game was blown.

Finally had a chance to watch a DVD that was sent and Vance is right - they played for about 5 minutes and then checked out. After the first 5, there was more energy at a funeral parlor.

Stutz was the big time buzz kill. He played like he had a bad case of 'Roids.

Blair played with his usual energy, but couldn't hit a shot to save himself.

More D. Williams would be a welcomed sight.

Yes, he makes the nightly bad decision, but he also makes things happen. That was a game where something, anything needed to happen to wake them up.

That is all. 8)

Spot on. :yes:

[SubGod22]

You know what, the game shouldn't even have come down to praying for a 3 point basket. It just happened to be the last blown play of a game full of bad plays. I can say this though, the Toure magic as a freshman nailing down game winners has gone the way of the DoDo.

This. I really think we only played the first 5 minutes - the rest of the game was blown.

Finally had a chance to watch a DVD that was sent and Vance is right - they played for about 5 minutes and then checked out. After the first 5, there was more energy at a funeral parlor.

Stutz was the big time buzz kill. He played like he had a bad case of 'Roids.

Blair played with his usual energy, but couldn't hit a shot to save himself.

More D. Williams would be a welcomed sight.

Yes, he makes the nightly bad decision, but he also makes things happen. That was a game where something, anything needed to happen to wake them up.

That is all. 8)

Spot on. :yes:

:good:

[Ricardo del Rio]

You know what, the game shouldn't even have come down to praying for a 3 point basket. It just happened to be the last blown play of a game full of bad plays. I can say this though, the Toure magic as a freshman nailing down game winners has gone the way of the DoDo.

This. I really think we only played the first 5 minutes - the rest of the game was blown.

Finally had a chance to watch a DVD that was sent and Vance is right - they played for about 5 minutes and then checked out. After the first 5, there was more energy at a funeral parlor.

Stutz was the big time buzz kill. He played like he had a bad case of 'Roids.

Blair played with his usual energy, but couldn't hit a shot to save himself.

More D. Williams would be a welcomed sight.

Yes, he makes the nightly bad decision, but he also makes things happen. That was a game where something, anything needed to happen to wake them up.

That is all. 8)

Spot on. :yes:

:good:

:yes:

[Aargh]

Throw it to Stutz near half court. No one will be expecting that. I've seen Stutz drive all the way to the hoop from midcourt. He can actually dribble. Of course, in this situation, he's going to have to stop and pull up for a 3.

That would have to work as well as anything I've seen tried so far this year.

I can't even tell if I'm being sarcastic with this post.

[pinstripers]

Get ahead; stay ahead. No prob.

[shock10]

Jump up in the air and throw it out of bounds thats what Murry does

[BOBB]

You know what, the game shouldn't even have come down to praying for a 3 point basket. It just happened to be the last blown play of a game full of bad plays. I can say this though, the Toure magic as a freshman nailing down game winners has gone the way of the DoDo.

This. I really think we only played the first 5 minutes - the rest of the game was blown.

Finally had a chance to watch a DVD that was sent and Vance is right - they played for about 5 minutes and then checked out. After the first 5, there was more energy at a funeral parlor.

Stutz was the big time buzz kill. He played like he had a bad case of 'Roids.

Blair played with his usual energy, but couldn't hit a shot to save himself.

More D. Williams would be a welcomed sight.

Yes, he makes the nightly bad decision, but he also makes things happen. That was a game where something, anything needed to happen to wake them up.

That is all. 8)

Rare agreement. Especially on Williams. Nothing like a case of 'roids to weaken your game! Less squats in the weight room and more oatmeal and bran at the training table!

[Dan]

If you don't have confidence in your shot, you should at least try to get the shot off while leaning into the defender and hope to draw a foul. I've seen other teams do that against us and it's better than throwing it out of bounds.

[KBShocker]

Thats easy, the ball should never be in Murray's hands and left to create when there are no passing options. He's not a point and that is what has messed his game up. Both Williams and Ragland can create when passing options are clogged up by the defense. Murray should be on the wing to take the shot or crash the boards like he's good at doing.

[shockerfan]

Truthfully, with this team and how they are during the crunch time in most games, I'm not sure I feel great with any of them having the ball with 6 secs left. But it definately hasn't worked with Murry (except for maybe the Indiana St game where he finally got a little bit going in the last overtime). So I say go with someone else and see what happens.

[SHOXAAC]

I think HCGM has visions of the LSU game in his head when validating having the ball in Toure's hands.