DBU valley addition for baseball only?

[SB Shock]

You know, Geno wanting DBU probably dooms them ultimately. Because the MVC seems to do the direct opposite of what Geno wants or knows is good for the MVC.

Actually, Paul Suellentrop reported that the Valley coaches unanimously favor adding the Baptists as a baseball-only member. If that doesn't convince some of our complainers (who apparently believe they know better than the guys who do this for a living), nothing will. When was the last time MVC baseball coaches unanimously agreed with Stephenson on anything?

First, the coaches don't make the ultimate decision. If they did I'm sure the schools in the MVC would be investing more in their programs.

2nd, I don't see people really complaining, they are just not embracing this possible move as something great and are somewhat wary of it. Right now DBU is a better program than WSU and they have some good players and they may come into the MVC and dominate.

Of course maybe there is more to this story than is being let out (like maybe there is another MVC team potentially looking at dropping baseball after this year). In that case it would probably be very important they add another team to get back to 8 team in the league.

[WstateU]

You know, Geno wanting DBU probably dooms them ultimately. Because the MVC seems to do the direct opposite of what Geno wants or knows is good for the MVC.

Actually, Paul Suellentrop reported that the Valley coaches unanimously favor adding the Baptists as a baseball-only member. If that doesn't convince some of our complainers (who apparently believe they know better than the guys who do this for a living), nothing will. When was the last time MVC baseball coaches unanimously agreed with Stephenson on anything?

First, the coaches don't make the ultimate decision. If they did I'm sure the schools in the MVC would be investing more in their programs.

2nd, I don't see people really complaining, they are just not embracing this possible move as something great and are somewhat wary of it. Right now DBU is a better program than WSU and they have some good players and they may come into the MVC and dominate.

Of course maybe there is more to this story than is being let out (like maybe there is another MVC team potentially looking at dropping baseball after this year). In that case it would probably be very important they add another team to get back to 8 team in the league.

Did I misread #2?

#3, Dallas is full of beautiful babes. :good: :good:

[SB Shock]

You know, Geno wanting DBU probably dooms them ultimately. Because the MVC seems to do the direct opposite of what Geno wants or knows is good for the MVC.

Actually, Paul Suellentrop reported that the Valley coaches unanimously favor adding the Baptists as a baseball-only member. If that doesn't convince some of our complainers (who apparently believe they know better than the guys who do this for a living), nothing will. When was the last time MVC baseball coaches unanimously agreed with Stephenson on anything?

First, the coaches don't make the ultimate decision. If they did I'm sure the schools in the MVC would be investing more in their programs.

2nd, I don't see people really complaining, they are just not embracing this possible move as something great and are somewhat wary of it. Right now DBU is a better program than WSU and they have some good players and they may come into the MVC and dominate.

Of course maybe there is more to this story than is being let out (like maybe there is another MVC team potentially looking at dropping baseball after this year). In that case it would probably be very important they add another team to get back to 8 team in the league.

Did I misread #2?

No you didn't. If you compare state of programs you have to say that DBU is better than WSU at this time based on last years results.

Dallas Baptist 38-17 RPI 42 3-11 vs Top 50, 8-3 vs Top 51-100
Wichita State 27-27 RPI 93 1-14 vs Top 50, 3-6 vs Top 51-100

DBU will likely be just as good if not better than their 2009 team. We all hope that WSU will be better and we won't see WSU finishing 4th in the MVC again anytime soon, but there are alot of unknowns surround WSU.

[SHOCKvalue]

You know, Geno wanting DBU probably dooms them ultimately. Because the MVC seems to do the direct opposite of what Geno wants or knows is good for the MVC.

Actually, Paul Suellentrop reported that the Valley coaches unanimously favor adding the Baptists as a baseball-only member. If that doesn't convince some of our complainers (who apparently believe they know better than the guys who do this for a living), nothing will. When was the last time MVC baseball coaches unanimously agreed with Stephenson on anything?

First, the coaches don't make the ultimate decision. If they did I'm sure the schools in the MVC would be investing more in their programs.

2nd, I don't see people really complaining, they are just not embracing this possible move as something great and are somewhat wary of it. Right now DBU is a better program than WSU and they have some good players and they may come into the MVC and dominate.

Of course maybe there is more to this story than is being let out (like maybe there is another MVC team potentially looking at dropping baseball after this year). In that case it would probably be very important they add another team to get back to 8 team in the league.

Did I misread #2?

No you didn't. If you compare state of programs you have to say that DBU is better than WSU at this time based on last years results.

Dallas Baptist 38-17 RPI 42 3-11 vs Top 50, 8-3 vs Top 51-100
Wichita State 27-27 RPI 93 1-14 vs Top 50, 3-6 vs Top 51-100

DBU will likely be just as good if not better than their 2009 team. We all hope that WSU will be better and we won't see WSU finishing 4th in the MVC again anytime soon, but there are alot of unknowns surround WSU.

Big difference between a single data point and a trend line.

Lots of teams were better than WSU last year. That doesn't mean that what happens in a single season will continue. Ask Fresno State and Oregon State.

Using your logic one could conclude that KU and KSU have both passed WSU for the foreseeable future. Do you believe that too?

[shockfan89_]

I am pretty certain SB Shock wasn't saying he thinks DBU is a better program than WSU. He was just pointing out that things can change rapidly and DBU may be good now, but may not continue that success.

I actually do believe this is a good move and DBU's six year trend is enough information to say they would compete well and help the MVC in baseball.

[vbird53]

I am pretty certain SB Shock wasn't saying he thinks DBU is a better program than WSU. He was just pointing out that things can change rapidly and DBU may be good now, but may not continue that success.

Except for the fact that he said...

Right now DBU is a better program than WSU

[SB Shock]

I am pretty certain SB Shock wasn't saying he thinks DBU is a better program than WSU. He was just pointing out that things can change rapidly and DBU may be good now, but may not continue that success.

Except for the fact that he said...

Right now DBU is a better program than WSU

I'm not talking about overall programs. One of my concerns with DBU is whether they are in the position to have long term success (and I have said that). WSU is positioned for long term success with facilities, coaching staff, and the relative weakness of the league.

But when you look at the short term you have to conclude that DBU is a better program than WSU right now. WSU based on last years results are not a very good team. DBU was a bubble at-large and has talented players coming back this year and should be better.

Does anybody really want to rehash last year results? They finished 4th in the 17th ranked conference in the nation. That is how bad they were last year. This was one of the worst hitting teams in Shocker history. Beyond the 3 starters the rest of pitching staff was pretty crappy.

Now do I think WSU will bounce back, sure (at least I pray they do). It seemed everything that could go wrong, did with the injuries, with the weather, etc.

My hope that WSU is going to at least contender for the MVC title (I don't think they will be the favorite) and I hope they will position themselves to have a chance for at-large. And if the "if's and buts" turn into candy and nuts maybe WSU will be top 25 team this year.

[ShockerFever]

I think you have to be careful lobbing the word "program" around. DBU obviously was a better team than WSU last year and things could arguably similar this year, but that doesn't make DBU a better "program" than WSU; it makes them the better team than WSU right now..

[ShockerFever]

My hope that WSU is going to at least contender for the MVC title (I don't think they will be the favorite) and I hope they will position themselves to have a chance for at-large. And if the "if's and buts" turn into candy and nuts maybe WSU will be top 25 team this year.

Just curious as to who will be the Valley favorite this year?

[SB Shock]

My hope that WSU is going to at least contender for the MVC title (I don't think they will be the favorite) and I hope they will position themselves to have a chance for at-large. And if the "if's and buts" turn into candy and nuts maybe WSU will be top 25 team this year.

Just curious as to who will be the Valley favorite this year?

If you ask the MVC coaches, I think they will select MSU to be the preseason favorite lead by their pre-season all-american Aaron Meade. I don't know what CU has coming back.

I think BA in their conference previews will select WSU to win the conference.

[shocky]

I think this move says a lot about college baseball in general. Schools in the North are at such a disadvantage that schools like Dallas Baptist are kicking their butts. Just a stupid system.
Those of us that appose this move are not acting like the BCS clowns we all love to hate. We simply want the Valley to grown and get stronger and not add DII schools to our league. Even if they are really, really good in one sport. This is not soccer or some other sport no one cares about. This is one of our primary sports. This school (DBU) has to complete with a growing number of Texas schools that may try to complete in college baseball. They may be good for years or they may suck in a few. Other legit DI schools in the Dallas area may start to commit resources to baseball. Who knows for sure. Once their in, THEIR IN for good.
When UNI dropped baseball, all I heard was how great it was. That WSU and other Valley schools could add a good non-conference RPI games to their schedules. Now we are committing to a DI newbie? Just doesn't make sense to me. I wish them all the success in the world, but they are not a good fit in our league. Period!

[Ta town]

I think this move says a lot about college baseball in general. Schools in the North are at such a disadvantage that schools like Dallas Baptist are kicking their butts. Just a stupid system.
Those of us that appose this move are not acting like the BCS clowns we all love to hate. We simply want the Valley to grown and get stronger and not add DII schools to our league. Even if they are really, really good in one sport. This is not soccer or some other sport no one cares about. This is one of our primary sports. This school (DBU) has to complete with a growing number of Texas schools that may try to complete in college baseball. They may be good for years or they may suck in a few. Other legit DI schools in the Dallas area may start to commit resources to baseball. Who knows for sure. Once their in, THEIR IN for good.
When UNI dropped baseball, all I heard was how great it was. That WSU and other Valley schools could add a good non-conference RPI games to their schedules. Now we are committing to a DI newbie? Just doesn't make sense to me. I wish them all the success in the world, but they are not a good fit in our league. Period!

Could you please name a school that would be a good addition to the MVC? Thank you

[tgcshock]

I think this move says a lot about college baseball in general. Schools in the North are at such a disadvantage that schools like Dallas Baptist are kicking their butts. Just a stupid system.
Those of us that appose this move are not acting like the BCS clowns we all love to hate. We simply want the Valley to grown and get stronger and not add DII schools to our league. Even if they are really, really good in one sport. This is not soccer or some other sport no one cares about. This is one of our primary sports. This school (DBU) has to complete with a growing number of Texas schools that may try to complete in college baseball. They may be good for years or they may suck in a few. Other legit DI schools in the Dallas area may start to commit resources to baseball. Who knows for sure. Once their in, THEIR IN for good.
When UNI dropped baseball, all I heard was how great it was. That WSU and other Valley schools could add a good non-conference RPI games to their schedules. Now we are committing to a DI newbie? Just doesn't make sense to me. I wish them all the success in the world, but they are not a good fit in our league. Period!

I attended a game in Austin a few years ago where DBU gave the Longhorns all that they could handle. I don't think their victories are primarily attributable to their southern location. They play some pretty high quality baseball.

[WSUwatcher]

Wrong

Knee-jerk ungrammatical foolishness, shocky.

Anyone acquainted with the DBU program would be more likely, from the standpoint of their impact on WSU, to worry that in a given year the Baptists might actually rise up and win the Valley or potentially cost WSU a spot in the tournament than they'll drag the league down. DBU is for real. They're good, and given their location, the abundance of baseball talent in Texas, and that this is their highest-profile sport (thus one to which they'll give a lot of attention and resources), they figure to stay good.

Apart from ORU, which already has a conference affiliation, there's no one even remotely comparable that the Valley could add to enhance its baseball the way DBU should. That's why the coaches, the guys who actually do this for a living, as opposed to us Internet loudmouths, are unanimously excited about it -- they see a built-in RPI boost plus a trip to Dallas every other year. There's no downside to that.

[Shockerman]

Thumbs down on this for sure. The good news is that UMKC is supposed to add Baseball in 2012 so we can add them too. The Valley is heading in the wrong direction.

I get wanting to play DBU. They are a fine baseball school. Why not just schedule an annual 3 game series with them?