The 2009 BCS Baseball Tournament

[billybud]

Hey...Don't get your pants in a BCS non BCS wad.

WSU did have some success at the CWS. I never said different. WSU is an unusual example outside of California, because the school has had a nationally respected baseball team.

The thing for the Shockers is to continue that success so that the run from 1991-1993 (now 16 seasons past) is more than an aging memory.

You can't treat that three year run like an aging spinster going through her scrapbook remembering her salad days while fondling her pressed, dessicated, and faded high school prom corsage.

Relevancy is what we all want for our teams....

I am impressed by Texas..who won in 1949 and is still winning in 2005. Texas went 30 years without playing in the final. Sometimes you have a run of good years, and sometimes you have to wait.

Texas has always been a great baseball school..but they had to keep the faith a long time.

[ShockerFever]

Our last CWS appearance was in 1996.

1991-1993 wasn't our only 'run'.

What does Texas have to do with anything?

Maybe one of these days Florida State will actually win games in the CWS.

[billybud]

Shockfan...i agree with you.

I am just more radical. I want NO AUTOMATIC BIDS.

I don't want part of my $95.00 (for tickets) used to watch Marist. Even if they have one great pitcher and can be competitive for that one game.

[ShockerFever]

Ya I bet you don't.

Anybody remember Bucknell last year? ROFL.

No, but they can't play nor deserve to play with the elite ACC bada$$es.

[CharlieHog]

What does a Rhode Island have to do to get in? What does an ORU have to do to host? When would a team that wins the MVC get an at large over the 8th place finisher in the Big 12? Those questions can't be answered or the answer changes depending on the committee.

1. Rhode Island could actually win their terrible conference. I really don't get why everybody is pounding the Rhode Island drum when they did not win the regular season or tournament title in one of the worst conferences in the country and they were 5-5 in their last 10 against pretty bad competition.

2. I have thought about ORU also. I think they COULD host. They did not win many of their OOC games against good opponents but they have an RPI of 38. ECU is hosting with an RPI of 22. ORU would be in a better position if they were in the MVC but of course that would make it harder to make the tournament every year.

[William]

William, the big problem with your arguement is logistics. If it were up to you, the 64 teams in the regionals would most certainly come from southern programs. And any northern programs would most certainly come from BCS conferences, like Louisville, Nebraska and Oregon State for example.

There is not a lot of money placed in baseball for non-BCS programs. So, if you want the best 64 teams to be in the regional, this would mean that teams from non-BCS programs such as Temple or Rhode Island to travel a thousand of miles down south to play BCS teams during the midweek and early portion of the season.

That ain't gonna happen and really, how fair is that. Hell, we can't get Arkansas or Texas to come to Wichita and play us. From a financial, logistical and pratical standpoint, it is just not feasible for non-BCS programs to schedule as tough as the southern BCS programs. So I say the auto bids from these conferences need to stay to make things somewhat equal.

Otherwise, the rich would get richer and the poor would get poorer. This already occurs in football with the good ol' boy system, I just hope it never reaches baseball and basketball.

Earlier I mentioned that in an effort to keep things fair the ncaa could do the non-con scheduling, but your point is taken and there are no easy solutions, but I did a little research and here is what I found, nothing scientific just interesting.

Big 12 3@4 seed regional results

2008 2-2
2007 6-4
2006 6-3
2005 3-4
2004 1-2
2003 1-2

Non bcs 3@4 seed regional results

2008 13-41
2007 11-46

I didn't go any farther, and some of the wins on the bottom are from good baseball conf.s like conf usa these automatic qualifiers aren't really competing at this level and are giving some of thes big conf. 1 seeds a free ride holding their ace for game two. After looking through these results and the rpi of these auto qualifiers I'm thinking that they should have an rpi of at least 80 to get in. The majority of these auto 4 seeds that go 2 and que have rpi of between 100 and 240 its really a joke and is totally unfair to the 2 and 3 seeds who are already on the road to begin with.

OH not those damn facts again!

[ShockerFever]

ROFL... I love people who quote their own posts.

Your "facts" prove nothing.

[William]

ROFL... I love people who quote their own posts.

Your "facts" prove nothing.

They prove that Monmoth, and Marist, and Stetson, and the like with their 145 rpi are nothing but punching bags for the 1 seed. They are an absolute joke, they don't belong in the tournament, the tournament would be much better with deserving teams filling out the field, like uh, I don't know, Missouri State you fool.

[ShockerFever]

ROFL... I love people who quote their own posts.

Your "facts" prove nothing.

They prove that Monmoth, and Marist, and Stetson, and the like with their 145 rpi are nothing but punching bags for the 1 seed. They are an absolute joke, they don't belong in the tournament, the tournament would be much better with deserving teams filling out the field, like uh, I don't know, Missouri State you fool.

Tell that to Bucknell last year.

Hell, with our near 100 RPI, why don't you just start slamming us for being in it?

You have no idea how off-base you are on this one Willie The Wildcat.

[billybud]

Did Bucknell advance? FSU did.

Bucknell was like a lot of teams..a good pitcher will get you one game if evrything falls right. They shut out FSU, something WSU could not do.

But the second game, FSU outscored Bushnell by 15...what ya say? Fifteen runs diff..ouch.

[William]

ROFL... I love people who quote their own posts.

Your "facts" prove nothing.

They prove that Monmoth, and Marist, and Stetson, and the like with their 145 rpi are nothing but punching bags for the 1 seed. They are an absolute joke, they don't belong in the tournament, the tournament would be much better with deserving teams filling out the field, like uh, I don't know, Missouri State you fool.

Tell that to Bucknell last year.

Hell, with our near 100 RPI, why don't you just start slamming us for being in it?

You have no idea how off-base you are on this one Willie The Wildcat.

I know you think that your position is beneficial to the shocks, but in reality it hurts the shocks, Our days of being a 1 seed are pretty much over if we can't schedule rpi teams, so that means win your tournament or be in the position missouri state is in this year (outside looking in) while some 177 rpi conference tourney winner takes our spot, and then promptly loses two games and goes home. Boy thats cool.

ps. if you notice your argument getting increasingly weak and feel the need to try to turn the tables by calling me something other than my name, Bill, Billy, and your daddy are all acceptable.

[ShockerFever]

Did Bucknell advance? FSU did.

Bucknell was like a lot of teams..a good pitcher will get you one game if evrything falls right. They shut out FSU, something WSU could not do.

But the second game, FSU outscored Bushnell by 15...what ya say? Fifteen runs diff..ouch.

But they proved they compete, right?

You guys just wanna make it a BCS Crapfest. Thankfully, that isn't happening.

Get back to me when the bada$$ ACC when's a title.

[William]

A crapfest travesty is when you have 177 rpi teams in the field while rpi numbers 35-60 have to sit and watch.

What is the point of that?

Why do you want to let 1 seeds save their ace for game two?

If you want to see upsets, you will see more my way.

Who cares if northern schools can compete in baseball?

Who cares if southern schools can compete in hockey?

Maybe they should have two tournaments in div 1, one for the best 64 and another where every team gets a trophy and nobody keeps score.

Your argument is defenseless, do you work for the aclu?

[billybud]

Bucknell did what WSU did...played well for a game than faded with a lack of depth....and like WSU, they got buried.

WSU was buried 14-4...Bucnell buried 15-9. Bucknell was probably the better of the two, but didn't have what it took to compete in a regional

[billybud]

All a really bad 4th seed can do is throw their ace and hope for the breaks.

A really good pitcher can win a game even with a crap team...but then they go to the rooms and pre pack their bags.

You need some depth of quality pitching to carry the regionals/supers.