WSUvsUNI #3: THIS GAME NEVER HAPPENED AND I WAS NEVER HERE

[DUShock]

I hate to say it but KC's position is valid. Counting KCAC victories, oh how the mighty have fallen :cry:

Maybe they'll run the table, who knows.

[shockfan89_]

I hate to say it but KC's position is valid. Counting KCAC victories, oh how the mighty have fallen :cry:

Maybe they'll run the table, who knows.

They have always counted. Why wouldn't they count now?

[SB Shock]

I hate to say it but KC's position is valid. Counting KCAC victories, oh how the mighty have fallen :cry:

Maybe they'll run the table, who knows.

They have always counted. Why wouldn't they count now?

They may count for Gene overall record. But the NCAA doesn't recognize non-div I wins (or losses) when they are considering what teams to give bids to the NCAA tournament nor do they count for/against the RPI.

[shockfan89_]

Oh, totally agree. But they have always counted in our win/loss record. If not, I think there is 1 or 2 other years that we didn't reach 40 wins.

[KC Shox]

I hate to say it but KC's position is valid. Counting KCAC victories, oh how the mighty have fallen :cry:

Maybe they'll run the table, who knows.

They have always counted. Why wouldn't they count now?

I think people are confused. In my season outlook win/loss breakdown, I only addressed D1 competition. This has nothing to do with what wins count toward Gene's overall record, or anything else. When I said 27 wins, that was 27 D1 wins only for this season.

[DUShock]

I was speaking of the "adder" games & SB is correct. It seems the conversation comes up whenever we discuss the tournament or Gene's impressive record. I do believe counting KCAC wins, it's not even Pittsburg State or Emporia State but de facto D-III schools is tragic.

Maybe they'll run the table, who knows...

[jdmee]

I hate to say it but KC's position is valid. Counting KCAC victories, oh how the mighty have fallen :cry:

Maybe they'll run the table, who knows.

They have always counted. Why wouldn't they count now?

I think people are confused. In my season outlook win/loss breakdown, I only addressed D1 competition. This has nothing to do with what wins count toward Gene's overall record, or anything else. When I said 27 wins, that was 27 D1 wins only for this season.

Wager

If WSU wins only 27 games this year -- no asterisks, no discounting replacements like the two non-Div 1 games instead of the two probable victories lost to weather at Bradley, no ignoring Valley tournament results -- just 27 games, period, I will contribute $150 to either SASO or the Battery Club (your choice) in your name -- or, if you eventually choke on your endless "realism," I'll do it in your memory. If they somehow win even fewer, I'll give you a break and instead of accusing you of being overly optimistic, I'll donate $200 instead...if

I'll do this, that is, if you agree to donate $10 to the same cause of my choosing for every game WSU wins over 27. (Same counting methods: all victories count, including those in postseason play, because that's how the records have always been compiled -- no exceptions, just a win is a win, whether it's against Kansas Wesleyan in April or Texas in June.)

Are you reducing your win total after each game is lost. Looks like you are now only predicting a 24 win season. Only need 4 more wins for your prediction.

[enginerd]

Wow! Shocker baseball just got interesting! Tell you all what... Im in on the 27 win season. Each game over, I give $10 to the College of Engineering. Who else is in? KState guy is putting his money where his mouth is, who else is?

[ShockerFever]

Wow! Shocker baseball just got interesting! Tell you all what... Im in on the 27 win season. Each game over, I give $10 to the College of Engineering. Who else is in? KState guy is putting his money where his mouth is, who else is?

a.) I don't believe you
b.) Even if I did, I doubt you have the coin to spare since you can't even afford GoPowercat.com.
c.) For every game under 27 wins, I'll donate $10 to the Kansas State University School of Manure Studies.

[SB Shock]

Oh, totally agree. But they have always counted in our win/loss record. If not, I think there is 1 or 2 other years that we didn't reach 40 wins.

That is true. In fact one of the arguments in 2001 (when WSU didn't make the NCAA tournament) for WSU was that no team with 40+ wins had never missed the tournament. The NCAA reminded us that was only true for teams with 40+ Div I wins and WSU only had 39.

[shocker3]

Oh, totally agree. But they have always counted in our win/loss record. If not, I think there is 1 or 2 other years that we didn't reach 40 wins.

If you didn't count division 1 wins there would have been more like 8 or 9 (definitely more than 2) Shocker teams that didn't get 40 wins.

In fact the 1984 team would have barely had 20 wins in a 62 game season (they played a lot of non-division games back then) and the 1986 team didn't do much better.

:wsu_posters:

[shocker3]

Oh, totally agree. But they have always counted in our win/loss record. If not, I think there is 1 or 2 other years that we didn't reach 40 wins.

That is true. In fact one of the arguments in 2001 (when WSU didn't make the NCAA tournament) for WSU was that no team with 40+ wins had never missed the tournament. The NCAA reminded us that was only true for teams with 40+ Div I wins and WSU only had 39.

All five of the Shocker teams that didn't make the ncaa tournament had over 40 wins (1978, 1979, 1984, 1986 and 2001). But NONE of them had more than 40 division 1 wins.

I really doubt if the great 1982 shocker team that played for the national championship had 40 division 1 wins. That team went 73-14 and was an excellent team, but we were playing nearly 40 non-division 1 games a year back then so I doubt if they had 40 division 1 wins. They might have lost one or two of those non-division 1 games but I don't think they lost more than that in 1982, which means they had to have won fewer than 40 division 1 games including all of the post-season games that year. :wsu_posters:

[William]

I have a reasonable solution to the 27 win prediction problem. Kc was basically predicting a .500 record with the original schedule. We lost games from the original schedule thus we lost opportunities for wins, but we also lost opportunities for losses. This season has proven to be a 50/50 proposition. My solution is to dissregard any replacement games as Kc couldn't factor them in when he made his prediction, then reduce his win prediction by a 1/2 game for every originally scheduled game that is lost.

[shocker3]

Actually he was predicting a 27-32 record. The Shox original schedule included 56 regular season games and a minimum of 3 Valley tourney games (as the host we are guaranteed a spot in the tourney, and all six participants are guaranteed a minimum of 3 games).

Bradley was pretty much three sure wins. (the 2 cancelled games that have been made up so far were both for Bradley games).

I don't think KC Shox has an agrument yet. Now if one of the Missouri State games had been cancelled and made up with a game against a non-division one team then I would think he could say I wasn't counting on that.

But Bradley is the last place team in the Valley and they are horrible -they don't beat anybody. Making up cancelled Bradley games shouldn't make any difference in the original prediction. :wsu_posters: