New Record for Gene!!!

[vancedave56]

For quite sometime now, we have been a "small-ball" team that refuses to play "small-ball." We do not have Carter, Stephenson, Standiford, Morman to name a few; we need to manufacture runs - at least try to.

[4 PUTT]

This is my last post. I forgot to mention that Bob Fornelli at Emporia State would be a great coach for this program.

[KC Shox]

This is my last post. I forgot to mention that Bob Fornelli at Emporia State would be a great coach for this program.

Don't stop posting. And uh no thank you on the ESU coach.

[Shocker85]

I really don't know why anybody was suprised about Coleman. It was clear in Omaha that his family was wanting him to go pro (as I watched his dad was beating the seats everytime Coleman struggled at the plate striking out twice or committing errors). He was drafted low because he was a signing risk because he had leverage as a sophmore. I thought he didn't get that great of deal (it at least was not a deal where the club was investing that much in him), but maybe he knew what was facing WSU and new he wasn't going to have any better year with who he would be playing around.

Just to be clear on Coleman -

Yes, Dusty's goal was to be a professional baseball player, and his family clearly had those expectations as well.

That he signed last season was and should be a surprise to everyone, except after the fact it is clear why he did sign.

Dusty was drafted in the 28th freakin' round. After seeing his draft position, the Shox coaches should have had a reasonable expectation for Dusty to return as he is probably a legit 8th-10th round pick and would have improved his draft position greatly in the 2009 draft. Where the plan gets wrecked is that Dusty was reportedly given a $600,000 signing bonus by the Oakland A's. That amount of money is just sick for the 844th overall pick in the draft and way out of character for the A's. Dusty got the money (and more) than he would have gotten even if he waited until 2009 and been drafted in the top 10 rounds.

I don't begrudge Dusty one bit for taking that deal, but when the Shox broke camp after the 2008 season, they surely expected SS to be one hole in the order they didn't have to worry about.

Was it a surprise? You bet. Would Dusty being here have made a huge difference, maybe not, but think about an infield with Grimes at 3B and Coleman at SS. Hmmm.

--'85.

[SekShocker]

Teams have down years it happens, it just hadn't happened to the Shox until this year. LSU misses the tournament in 2006 & 2007 has a great recruiting class and makes the CWS in 2008. In 2007 they go 29-26-1.

I know we live in a what have you done for me this second world, but I think there is a light at the end of the tunnel and we can get back to where we all expect us to be, and I firmly believe Gene and his staff can get us there, this season sucks and is frustrating but to think it is the total demise of the program to me is a little silly.

[SB Shock]

Dusty was drafted in the 28th freakin' round. After seeing his draft position, the Shox coaches should have had a reasonable expectation for Dusty to return as he is probably a legit 8th-10th round pick and would have improved his draft position greatly in the 2009 draft.

Come on.. Here is what BA had to say about Coleman

Coleman offers more all-around potential than most shortstops in the 2008 draft. He's a versatile 6-foot-2, 185-pound athlete who also starred as a quarterback and point guard in high school and has taken the mound on occasion for Wichita State. He has good strength and power potential for a shortstop, and he drew a lot of attention when he homered twice in three games at Long Beach State's unforgiving Blair Field early in the season. Coleman homered just four times in his next 50 games, however, as teams were more reluctant to challenge him. He'll need to cut down on his swing, do a better job of recognizing breaking pitches and tighten his strike zone to do damage on a more consistent basis. He's a solid-average runner with good instincts on the bases. Defensively, Coleman has smooth actions and a strong arm. He has been clocked as high as 92 mph and flashed an intriguing slider in his infrequent outings on the mound. Coleman's talent warrants a fourth- to sixth-round selection, but his extra leverage as a draft-eligible sophomore could scare teams off. If he returned to Wichita State and improved offensively, he could factor into the first three rounds of the 2009 draft.

Coleman dropped to the 28th round because of signability concerns. Oakland decided after watching him in Cap Cod league that he was worth the risk to give 2-4 round money for him.

[ShockerFever]

Teams have down years it happens, it just hadn't happened to the Shox until this year. LSU misses the tournament in 2006 & 2007 has a great recruiting class and makes the CWS in 2008. In 2007 they go 29-26-1.

I know we live in a what have you done for me this second world, but I think there is a light at the end of the tunnel and we can get back to where we all expect us to be, and I firmly believe Gene and his staff can get us there, this season sucks and is frustrating but to think it is the total demise of the program to me is a little silly.

Very good points about LSU.

It's kinda funny. This board seems to be more active when we're down than when we are good. Kinda strange. .

[SekShocker]

Teams have down years it happens, it just hadn't happened to the Shox until this year. LSU misses the tournament in 2006 & 2007 has a great recruiting class and makes the CWS in 2008. In 2007 they go 29-26-1.

I know we live in a what have you done for me this second world, but I think there is a light at the end of the tunnel and we can get back to where we all expect us to be, and I firmly believe Gene and his staff can get us there, this season sucks and is frustrating but to think it is the total demise of the program to me is a little silly.

Very good points about LSU.

It's kinda funny. This board seems to be more active when we're down than when we are good. Kinda strange. .

I noticed that too, do people just have a genuine dislike of Gene or what is it? I did an internship in the baseball office in 1999 and worked with or around him for a semester, granted not as closely as the players, but I really liked him, he is very intense and expects a lot out of himself and the staff. I just don't understand all the anti-Gene sentiments, especially for what he has built, and how quickly some people are ready to just give up on him and the program. OU is not that far removed maybe 6 years or so from having a losing record, in I think two out of three seasons.

I will give some of you this, the one thing that is really bothering me is that the same mistakes are being made and guys do not seem to be learning from mistakes and making adjustments very well. That goes for the offense and the pitching staff.

[t7017s]

Teams have down years it happens, it just hadn't happened to the Shox until this year. LSU misses the tournament in 2006 & 2007 has a great recruiting class and makes the CWS in 2008. In 2007 they go 29-26-1.

I know we live in a what have you done for me this second world, but I think there is a light at the end of the tunnel and we can get back to where we all expect us to be, and I firmly believe Gene and his staff can get us there, this season sucks and is frustrating but to think it is the total demise of the program to me is a little silly.

Man I tried to make this point a couple times this year citing Oregon State and Fresno State over the last couple years and got ripped for it. Glad to see someone can reach some of these "realists" because I sure can't. Very nice post to put things in perspective. I couldn't agree with you more.

[SekShocker]

Teams have down years it happens, it just hadn't happened to the Shox until this year. LSU misses the tournament in 2006 & 2007 has a great recruiting class and makes the CWS in 2008. In 2007 they go 29-26-1.

I know we live in a what have you done for me this second world, but I think there is a light at the end of the tunnel and we can get back to where we all expect us to be, and I firmly believe Gene and his staff can get us there, this season sucks and is frustrating but to think it is the total demise of the program to me is a little silly.

Man I tried to make this point a couple times this year citing Oregon State and Fresno State over the last couple years and got ripped for it. Glad to see someone can reach some of these "realists" because I sure can't. Very nice post to put things in perspective. I couldn't agree with you more.

Hell look down 21st Street to Koch Arena. Young team took some lumps early in the season, got a little streak, won a game in the CBI and everyone can't wait until next year, and Coach Marshall is awesome, and he has won exactly one game in the postseason and that was in the CBI. Don't get me wrong I love Coach Marshall and the basketball program and see big things in the future, but if had taken us to back to back sweet 16's and then had an off year after say losing 4 of 5 starters from the previous years team, everyone would be like owe it just a down year and we need to cut him some slack. Is it all because Gene is not considered to be a "nice" guy, or people just plain don't like him, I just don't understand the double standard, especially with what Gene has done and will do for our university.

It seems like some of us have to make this argument for Gene and the baseball program every year.

[SekShocker]

I'm gonna blame our lack of offensive production on the DeMarini bats, we should have never switched from Easton. ;-) ;-)

[Shocker85]

I noticed that too, do people just have a genuine dislike of Gene or what is it? ... he is very intense and expects a lot out of himself and the staff. I just don't understand all the anti-Gene sentiments, especially for what he has built, and how quickly some people are ready to just give up on him and the program.

There are haters out there that dislike Gene's methods or personality.

Mostly, I'd say that Gene's intensity and desire for perfection has rubbed-off on a lot of us and we expect the Shox to dominate year-in and year-out. The program and its fans are a 1000lb. gorilla that expect a heck of a lot out of the players and the coaches. We haven't had to deal with a total collapse in 31 years.

We're seeing a handful people on here becoming very negative on the program, I think the majority are prepared to let this season end and move on from here to the Shox normal level in the future.

--'85.

[WstateU]

Like all fan bases, we have our share of knowledgeable fans, morons, imbeciles and idiots… the morons, imbeciles and idiots tend to stand at the front of the line.

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[SekShocker]

I noticed that too, do people just have a genuine dislike of Gene or what is it? ... he is very intense and expects a lot out of himself and the staff. I just don't understand all the anti-Gene sentiments, especially for what he has built, and how quickly some people are ready to just give up on him and the program.

There are haters out there that dislike Gene's methods or personality.

Mostly, I'd say that Gene's intensity and desire for perfection has rubbed-off on a lot of us and we expect the Shox to dominate year-in and year-out. The program and its fans are a 1000lb. gorilla that expect a heck of a lot out of the players and the coaches. We haven't had to deal with a total collapse in 31 years.

We're seeing a handful people on here becoming very negative on the program, I think the majority are prepared to let this season end and move on from here to the Shox normal level in the future.

--'85.

I am going to try and take the, "At least we have a lot of people who care enough to piss and moan about it" as opposed to no one caring or this season being business as usual, approach. It is just all the "It is time for Gene to go" stuff that really gets under my skin, that clown on the Eagle site, who's only response to everything is: Time to promote Kemnitz and time for Geno to go, is the worst.

[SubGod22]

For the record, if Gregg took us to the Sweet 16 and then the next year fell off to the point where we finished near the bottom he'd get some criticization for poor recruiting efforts. Much like Turgeon did. It's one thing to not be at the same level each and every year, but to fall as much as you said Gregg would have people complaining and I'd be one of them. Recruiting is a HUGE part of college athletics. Not everyone is going to be a huge success, but you have to have people in place.

Again, I don't follow the baseball program that closely but think that the comparisson made was BS.