OU Sooners at Shox

[Shocker85]

Re: Too low

Sorry, 85, but I'm not buying the idea that WSU has eight losses ahead against this year's Valley competition in games that are started by Kelley, Lowell, and Cooper. That's arguably the best three-man pitching rotation in the league, and with them taking the hill each weekend, it's hardly delusional to see WSU finishing better than 13-9 in this league.

WW,

I'm not going to tell you to believe something different than you want to. Yes, I agree that Kelley, Lowell, and Cooper are the best rotation in the Valley. Heck, they might be the best 3 pitchers in the Valley.

The fact is, though, that they are currently a cumulative 11-5 (.688) with a 2.49 ERA in 19 starts. WSU is 12-7 (.632) in their starts. 12 of their starts have been AT HOME. It is not usually those guys' fault that the Shox lose. 16 decisions in 19 starts is a pretty high ratio and it tells you the offense isn't very good at coming back and that those guys are iron men. I don't think you can expect MORE out of them. There are 18 Valley games left and at the same pace the Big 3 go 11-7. An extra loss vs. MoSt or sCUm is not out of the question.

I hope you are right and I'm wrong.

--'85.

[SB Shock]

I will admit, I was delusional coming into this season and have struggled to coming to terms with that. I really thought this was going to be like the old shox teams and they would just reload (the 2 supers I guess did it). Well, if it isn't obvious this is not the Shocker teams of of the 90's. This team has had some bad luck with the draft and with injuries - but that is just a part of life and everybody has these problems.

This years freshman class has a good core group of players to build around, but they need help as there are some pretty serious holes in this team that will have to be filled if this program wants to be a national power in the next 2-3 years.

I still keep hoping this team will find their way this year and win the MVC and the MVC Tournament. If they can do that this year then it won't be entirely lost.

[Shirley Schmidt]

Man WW you are right and I was wrong.

I need to correct my statements above, Shox win out the remainder of the games this year, run thru the regionals and end up in Omaha.

It's a great day to be Shocker!

Man this is a great team!

[ShockerFever]

I betcha a million dollars worth of OU jersies that you're not willing to back your rambling guess up.

What do you have in mind?

Show me the wins in the remaining games.

I hope I am wrong, I have followed this program for many years and this is without a doubt the weakest team the Gene has ever fielded.

Unless there is a big change it looks like 25 to 27 regular season losses.

If we agree on a bet any money that is won / lost to by either should be donated to the Baseball program.

I see TONS of oddities.
Swept by overrated K-State? No.
Swept by K-Who and Locker Room Material Boy? Hell no.
Swept by ORU in 3 home games? Nope.

How good do you think our weekend rotation is again? Apparently, not that good.
Swept by MSU? I'd like to think no. It's too important of a series for us. Of course, the hillbillies will be pumped for this one so I wouldn't be surprised.
Series loss to sCUm? Could be, but doubtful.
Series loss to SIU? lol.. no.
We will sweep either Indiana State or UNI or maybe even both.

That's how I look at it.

I agree that this is the worst team we've had ever. But even our worst team EVER is better than some of the better Valley teams and better than some of the Big 12 doormats who are having 'stellar' years for their schools.

I'll bet $50 that we lose less than 25 games, since you're so confident in that number.

If we lose less than 25 games, you're chipping in a Grant to the baseball program.
If we lose 25 games or more, I'm fiddy in.
Deal?

[Shirley Schmidt]

I'll bet $50 that we lose less than 25 games, since you're so confident in that number.

If we lose less than 25 games, you're chipping in a Grant to the baseball program.
If we lose 25 games or more, I'm fiddy in.
Deal?

Deal, I hope I have to pay.

[ShockerFever]

I'll bet $50 that we lose less than 25 games, since you're so confident in that number.

If we lose less than 25 games, you're chipping in a Grant to the baseball program.
If we lose 25 games or more, I'm fiddy in.
Deal?

Deal, I hope I have to pay.

:good:

[ShockerFever]

And just remember WSUWatcher and others... I'm a Debbie Downer and not a true fan!.. :clap:

[WSUwatcher]

Huh?

Now, now, Fever. I don't believe I've ever challenged your fanship, however messy it can sometimes be when your ship hits the fan.

If you want to waste time trying to find a quote to the contrary from me, feel free, and if you do I'll apologize. But surely you must have better things to do. And, by the way, best of luck with your bet -- I'm rooting for you.

You are a Debbie Downer, however.
:cry:

[WSUwatcher]

Man WW you are right and I was wrong.

I need to correct my statements above, Shox win out the remainder of the games this year, run thru the regionals and end up in Omaha.

It's a great day to be Shocker!

Man this is a great team!

All right -- that's better, Shirley.
:yahoo:

[WSUwatcher]

Lucky you

Well, 85, you have the privilege of receiving my final post before I leave for pre-Easter observances. Are you lucky, or what?

Anyway, with regard to the Shocker weekend pitchers, I don't really think the anomalous game Cooper had in his career debut against Central Michigan is especially relevant to what he's doing now. Nor do I believe that the losses against TCU, a team more or less universally regarded as much better than any the Valley has to offer, tells us much about WSU's remaining 18 starts from the firm of Kelley, Lowell, and Cooper in league play.

Thus, I also discount the Gang of Three's record so far (or WSU's record in their starts) as a predictor of their Valley future. I'd be more inclined to look at 12-4 without TCU than the 12-7 you quote with them included. So I'm expecting no worse than 13-5 in Valley play from here on out (barring injuries, of course, or more rain, although I suppose some are probably rooting for a deluge to hit Springfield on a certain upcoming weekend).

And I think that's conservative. I'll be surprised and very disappointed if the Shocks are swept at MSU, absolutely stunned if they lose the series against SIU -- hence my scoffing at Shirley.

Happy Easter to all.

[shocker3]

[quote="ShockerFever"]

I hope I am wrong, I have followed this program for many years and this is without a doubt the weakest team the Gene has ever fielded.

Unless there is a big change it looks like 25 to 27 regular season losses.

If we agree on a bet any money that is won / lost to by either should be donated to the Baseball program.

I agree that this is the worst team we've had ever. But even our worst team EVER is better than some of the better Valley teams and better than some of the Big 12 doormats who are having 'stellar' years for their schools.

I'll bet $50 that we lose less than 25 games, since you're so confident in that number.

If we lose less than 25 games, you're chipping in a Grant to the baseball program.
If we lose 25 games or more, I'm fiddy in.
Deal?

THIS IS NOT THE WORST TEAM We have ever had. I am tired of hearing that and reading that on Shockernet.

I have been go to Shocker baseball games since 1978 and this is NOT the worst team since then.

The season is only half over and I like to wait until the seaon is over before making an assessment of a team -especially one as young as this team.

But I can tell you right now that the 1984, 1986 and 1978 teams were definitely worse than this one.

Our current weekend pitching rotation is very good. The position players (except for Ryan Jones) are pretty inexperienced and will continue to improve, so will the relief pitching.

I think that this team has a good chance to win the Valley tournament and win some ncaa tournament games.

Those early Shocker teams played a lot of very easy opponents so some of them looked better than they really were. They also had over inflated win totals compared to now because they played so many non-division 1 games. (That's not to say that some of those teams weren't very good, the 1982 team was incredibly good but the 1978, 1984 and 1986 teams weren't as good as this years team).

This year's team is playing a much tougher schedule and I will be shocked if we don't have over 30 wins by the time the season is completely over (and probably closer to 40). :wsu_posters:

[ShockerFever]

Ok, I aplogize shocker3, maybe not the worst EVER, but ONE of the worst ever. And why is that? Yes, it's because we have virtually entirely new roster. One of our worst years ever and we're sitting at 2nd in the conference right now. It was kind of a compliment.

Maybe I should've said we are one of the worst offensive/hitting/strikeout teams ever. Would you have agreed to that?

[shock10]

What you said 3. I agree.

[SB Shock]

And why is that? Yes, it's because we have virtually entirely new roster.

Out of the 32 players on the roster there were only 12 newcomers on the team. OU has 13 newcomers on this year team.

The difference is WSU didn't have in place the upper classmen talent who were ready to seize the reigns and continue down the road.

Maybe I should've said we are one of the worst offensive/hitting/strikeout teams ever. Would you have agreed to that?

When a team slugging percentage is just a little better than there OBP, it would be hard to argue that point.

But, you have to add in that WSU doesn't has no depth in their pitching staff. Get beyond Kelley, Cooper, Lowell the staff ERA is 6.02.

Plus I think Kelley is a draft eligible sophmore which could be another huge loss of the summer for a team depth problems.

[shoxlax]

And why is that? Yes, it's because we have virtually entirely new roster.

Out of the 32 players on the roster there were only 12 newcomers on the team. OU has 13 newcomers on this year team.

The difference is WSU didn't have in place the upper classmen talent who were ready to seize the reigns and continue down the road.

Maybe I should've said we are one of the worst offensive/hitting/strikeout teams ever. Would you have agreed to that?

When a team slugging percentage is just a little better than there OBP, it would be hard to argue that point.

But, you have to add in that WSU doesn't has no depth in their pitching staff. Get beyond Kelley, Cooper, Lowell the staff ERA is 6.02.

Plus I think Kelley is a draft eligible sophmore which could be another huge loss of the summer for a team depth problems.

Kelly's velocity doesn't make it likely he will be drafted very high, but underclassmen seem to want out of our program something awful.