Update: Oliver adds OSU as defendant in lawsuit

[shockandawe08]

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19829705&BRD=1699&PAG=461&dept_id=46370&rfi=6

I realize this happened a while ago, but I don't remember seeing it in here. Does anyone have any new information on this?

[shockandawe08]

Here is another article with more specific details.

http://www.stillwater-newspress.com/osusports/local_story_187220830.html

Personally, I think the NCAA is probably off the hook because technically they weren't the ones who kept Oliver from playing.

[Rosewood]

The worst part is we will have to endure years of OSU fans saying "Well, if we had Oliver..."

[shockandawe08]

Rosewood,

That kind of speculation has already been pushed by Kendall Rogers (among others) and though it's irritating, I find it is also laughable after reading some of his past baseball predictions and how far off the mark they were. So I guess we should just consider the source. :roll:

My concern with this article is whether this kind of thing can happen to our guys and who is looking out for them and their interests? I'm not familiar yet with all that goes on behind the scenes.

[shox25]

I LOVE how the article highlights at the end that without Oliver, Wichita State was able to beat the OSU Cowboys. Unfortunately, this isn't a perfect world. In a perfect world Tyler Fleming would have been healthy. We could play the what if game all of our lifes but unfortunately that doesn't change the facts of what did happen. There is a saying out there that goes something like "There's no use crying over spilled milk". Maybe they have never heard that down in Oklahoma. :posterwu:

[SpanglerFan316]

The worst part is we will have to endure years of OSU fans saying "Well, if we had Oliver..."

Who cares? Our reply should be "What about the other game where we beat you? What's your excuse for being swept?" :D

[Snapshot9]

Someone explain to me why Oliver had a paid advisor to begin with? Was this person like an agent? $113,000 is a lot of money. Was Oliver expected to pay this?

I guess I don't understand to setup to begin with.

[im4wsu]

Someone explain to me why Oliver had a paid advisor to begin with? Was this person like an agent? $113,000 is a lot of money. Was Oliver expected to pay this?

I guess I don't understand to setup to begin with.

In my simple-minded world, and I confess I know less than nothing about these arrangements, it appears to me that the arrangement between Barretta and Oliver was very much like an attorney taking on a lawsuit on a contingency basis. The attorney wins, he gets paid; lose=nothing.

In this case, Oliver agrees that he will ultimatley engage Barretta as his agent. The keyword is "ultimately" ( = contingency). With that expectation of being Oliver's agent for life, Barretta performs certain services on Oliver's behalf (which he could not perform under NCAA rules if he had already been hired as an agent).

The difference in the analogy is that in this case Barretta was dumped and sent a bill to Oliver for the services already rendered. The courts will have to determine whether Oliver agreed to payment in the event he did not ultimately engage Barretta.

[William]

I LOVE how the article highlights at the end that without Oliver, Wichita State was able to beat the OSU Cowboys. Unfortunately, this isn't a perfect world. In a perfect world Tyler Fleming would have been healthy. We could play the what if game all of our lifes but unfortunately that doesn't change the facts of what did happen. There is a saying out there that goes something like "There's no use crying over spilled milk". Maybe they have never heard that down in Oklahoma. :posterwu:

I have the same opinion of stuff like this, and definately can't tolerate the hypocrisy of fans that take this stance only when it favors their team and then cry about southern schools, home field advantage in regionals etc.

[shockandawe08]

I'm with you, Snapshot9. This line between "advisor/agent" appears to be very gray. It sounds like a slippery slope to me.

The lawsuit (I guess it would be the countersuit) alleges offers of baseball equipment and private pitching lessons, according to one article. If true, it may be a long while before OSU has "still water."
Sorry, that was bad. :D

[shock10]

Cowboy's new they were beat in the first half inning. There coach was tossed for arguing balls and strikes after a strikeout to end the top of the 1st inning. That shows they were panicking. Thats nuts.

[shockandawe08]

Isn't Google amazing?

Update:

It appears that OSU has been added as a defendant in Oliver's lawsuit.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=sbd.preview&articleID=122480

"Ineligible P Andy Oliver Adds Oklahoma State To Lawsuit
By Liz Mullen, Staff Writer, SportsBusiness Journal Andy Oliver, the Oklahoma State Univ. (OSU) pitcher declared ineligible earlier this year, has added OSU as a defendant in his breach of contract lawsuit against the NCAA and his former…" (Sorry, I wasn't going to join to read the rest...lol.)


Also, you may want to check this out:

http://www.sportsagentblog.com/?p=1457

Make sure to read the comments that follow. Pretty interesting.

I was under the impression that the NCAA had received word that Oliver's eligibility was in question, but that OSU made the final decision not to let him play. This may not have been the case.
I am only interested in this because I don't yet know how the college baseball system works or how prolific this kind of thing is. Do we have any lawyers in here to clarify or NCAA rules and regulations experts? I don't want any of our guys put in this position. They say ignorance is no excuse, so someone please enlighten me. :)
Where's Jerry Maguire when I need him? 8)

[WSUwatcher]

So?

The worst part is we will have to endure years of OSU fans saying "Well, if we had Oliver..."

Who cares, Rose? Let 'em gripe all they want. At most it just evens things up for 1999, when OSU got to come up here and play the Shocks without Ben Christensen (top gun on a staff that also included Nate Robertson, by the way), who was pitching better than anyone in the country when he ran off the tracks. Big Ben might have been, shall we say, a factor in that regional had he been eligible.

[shockandawe08]

Shhh...don't get that started again. :roll:

[shock49]

I was setting next to the Royals head scout at the regional,He called Ben the BEST college pitcher that year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!