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[KC Shox]

That was not a dirty play. Anyone with half a brain can objectively see that. THE THROW PULLED THE SS TOWARD THE SECOND BASE SIDE OF THE BAG IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!! Jones was already in his slide when the SS's momentum was taking over to that side of the bag. Jones' feet were not high, high is at the upper shin and above. His foot his the SS's lower shin/ankle.

The runner has the right to the base and as long as he is sliding into the base directly, which Jones was doing, there was no illegal play. That throw was high and was lofted. It hung up in the air forever. At that speed of the game you cannot expect other than what happened.

[RoyalShock]

KC, I may be wrong, but I think they are talking about the 2nd slide, not the 1st.

On slo-mo, Coleman's spikes didn't come up until the very end, after all but Delmonico's right foot was already past Coleman's foot. Even then, Dusty's cleat was to the right of Delmonico's foot.

Due to Dusty being only very slightly to the right of the base, it was a borderline call. But as I said in an earlier post, an FSU player did basically the same thing. The only difference was that he slid on his side and his left leg was bent at the knee, allowing his leg to pass over the base. But most of his body was right of the base.

[Ricky Del Rio]

The umpire was about 10' from the play and looked straight at it.

[shockfan89]

I think the 1st one was just the throw taking the SS into the runner. Not dirty at all. For any FSU fans that think this was meant to be dirty, I will tell you that I have been watching Shocker baseball 20 years and it is rare to see us have a collision at 2nd base. It for sure is not something that is done with any regularity at all.

Great game by both teams. This is going to be one exciting Super Regional. No doubt about that!

[KC Shox]

My prediction, the FSU fans, media and coaches all over the umps today will have left their mark. We will get no love tomorrow from the umps and AS will work twice as hard because he won't get the same zone as the FSU pitcher will. This will result in a loss.

[shockerfan34]

http://www.kansas.com/static/slides/060708WSU/

In picture 14, it would appear Tapley is using a "dirty" slide, with the foot elevated and off the base to break up the double play.

[El Cid]

My prediction, the FSU fans, media and coaches all over the umps today will have left their mark. We will get no love tomorrow from the umps and AS will work twice as hard because he won't get the same zone as the FSU pitcher will. This will result in a loss.

I think this a bit premature. I don't see these plays being used as an excuse for our loss today by anyone on our boards. We got beat today, injury or not by poor pitching and shoddy defense. We play that way tomorrow, give up 10 runs, we probably are going home.

I don't think either play was dirty but the 2nd slide did look high to me. I'm not suggesting intentional or not but it looked high. I think if you put yourself in our shoes as fans, you'd feel the same way, especially if he could not play the following day as Tony won't. We lose a big time player in him but this stuff happens.

A couple posters have said they've lost respect for some of our fans because they felt the play was dirty. Again, put yourself in our shoes and right or wrong, you'd get some of the same kneejerk reactions on this board.

Here's to extending this one to Sunday! Good luck

[WSUShokker]

My prediction, the FSU fans, media and coaches all over the umps today will have left their mark. We will get no love tomorrow from the umps and AS will work twice as hard because he won't get the same zone as the FSU pitcher will. This will result in a loss.

I think this a bit premature. I don't see these plays being used as an excuse for our loss today by anyone on our boards. We got beat today, injury or not by poor pitching and shoddy defense. We play that way tomorrow, give up 10 runs, we probably are going home.

I don't think either play was dirty but the 2nd slide did look high to me. I'm not suggesting intentional or not but it looked high. I think if you put yourself in our shoes as fans, you'd feel the same way, especially if he could not play the following day as Tony won't. We lose a big time player in him but this stuff happens.

A couple posters have said they've lost respect for some of our fans because they felt the play was dirty. Again, put yourself in our shoes and right or wrong, you'd get some of the same kneejerk reactions on this board.

Here's to extending this one to Sunday! Good luck

Hey Cid...uh KC is on a mission for us...lest just say its top secret and dont take his posts the wrong way. If you read some more of his posts I think you will catch on ...anyway short answer is that is not our take....

I think all of us got a little testy with the comments about us being dirty....I think thats our knee jerk to your knee jerk...in the end some of us on both sides look like jerks but we all know you guys like us for the majority are good folks and we all have our times when we over react...Nothing but respect for your team...even with the breaks we got ..we almost lost a 6 run lead!!!!! Had we lost we would be talking about the Balk on Gast that wasnt called...ect..

I have read most of the threads on your board and will say vast majority of the people were not using those bad breaks/events/plays as an excuse.

We got a ton of work to do to still win 2 games in Tallahassee against a team that is scary good with the bats. I hope Tony is ready and able to play...

[Nolefan23]

to me it looked clean, he has every right to the bag as the FSU player does, it not like he put his spikes up.

First slide.. No one's fault. Second slide.. maybe a little dirty but mostly just baseball. Good luck tomorrow guys.

[fastbow]

A couple posters have said they've lost respect for some of our fans because they felt the play was dirty. Again, put yourself in our shoes and right or wrong, you'd get some of the same kneejerk reactions on this board.

Here's to extending this one to Sunday! Good luck

Nah. The kneejerk reaction on this board would be nothing but woe-is-us-our-season-is-over or see-I-told-you-we-sucked-we-cant-even-avoid-clean-slides...

[lostshocker]

http://www.kansas.com/static/slides/060708WSU/

In picture 14, it would appear Tapley is using a "dirty" slide, with the foot elevated and off the base to break up the double play.

uh, not even close to a dirty slide there. i cant see where the bag is at but tapley looks like he could reach it with his left arm. foot is maybe slightly elevated but not even close to being high.

or were you using the picture to justify shockers slides? (i havent seen either.)

[WSUShokker]

to me it looked clean, he has every right to the bag as the FSU player does, it not like he put his spikes up.

First slide.. No one's fault. Second slide.. maybe a little dirty but mostly just baseball. Good luck tomorrow guys.

Good luck to you as well

[BA2929]

http://www.kansas.com/static/slides/060708WSU/

In picture 14, it would appear Tapley is using a "dirty" slide, with the foot elevated and off the base to break up the double play.

uh, not even close to a dirty slide there. i cant see where the bag is at but tapley looks like he could reach it with his left arm. foot is maybe slightly elevated but not even close to being high.

or were you using the picture to justify shockers slides? (i havent seen either.)

In college, you're supposed to slide directly into the bag, you don't get the "he can reach it with a body part" leeway like you do in pro baseball. However, unless it is blatantly obvious or the intent is to injure, no umpire is going to call that this deep into the season. FSU fans think the Dusty Coleman slide was dirty because their injured SS was the guy being slid into. Had that been the first slide to break up a DP in the game, nobody would be saying anything.

It is a rule of fandom that after a loss in a big game someone has to be blamed for a loss, and it usually falls upon the shoulders of the umpires or the other team "cheating" or "playing dirty" in some way which causes your team to lose. Never, under any circumstances, do you blame a big game loss on your own players. 8)

[Rosewood]

Let us put this to bed once and for all, right here, right now.

If this had happened against OSU, well I would have expected their benches to clear. Also, I would expect this thread to be massive. However, because it happened against a much better program with MUCH better fans, I don't think it is too much to be reasonable.

Especially with the loss, I don't fault any FSU fan for "melting" down. We all do as fans to a degree, and it is one of the best uses of message boards. Also I don't fault them for being upset about RJ's slide. Now again, if this was against OSU, I would call anyone who thought that was dirty some dirty names. However, the respect I've gained for FSU fans means I give them a pass. When it is all said and done, there will always be some that think it was dirty. However, everyone knows it was not, and that was made evident very quickly by how quickly RJ wanted to check on him AND stayed with him. He looked straight back at the ump and asked for time and as soon as it was granted, he was over to the player. These are not the actions of someone trying to be dirty.

If we were at all dirty, Gene would have been acting like OSU coaches when there was that much of a delay to get the kid back out there to play.

Finally, Dusty's slide was no different than any other slide ever. Again, if he was playin it dirty, he would have jawed with the FSU 3B. He just kept walking. The actions just don't match with the intentions. Also, I totally give that FSU 3B a pass because in the heat of the game, things are going to be different. Same for fans. If FSU's 3B really thought it was dirty, he had a chance to turn it around shortly there after and didn't (because that just isn't what these two teams are about).

It never crossed my mind that the HBPs we got today were any kind of payback because that just doesn't sound like what I've read about FSU in this last week. Also, why would you want to put guys on like that? Again, the actions don't match any kind of nefarious intentions.

As for the post game "no comment" comments by Martin... his team lost a close game. I wouldn't expect anything more or less from a guy. I'm sure he knows everything out there today was nothing short of a good baseball game because he is too good of a coach to think anything else. It is the bad coaches like OSU's that get in a funk over stuff and drag it into the next game and then get out coached and lose.

Finally, FSU fans, I have so much respect for you guys. The cheers, the chants, and the way you have behaved from everyone I've talked to and seen just make me want to play you guys every year damn it. This how baseball should be. Any other school and I wouldn't bother to type out this post. It isn't worth it. You guys have made it worth it.

Here is to another great game tomorrow.

[tw805]

It never crossed my mind that the HBPs we got today were any kind of payback because that just doesn't sound like what I've read about FSU in this last week. Also, why would you want to put guys on like that? Again, the actions don't match any kind of nefarious intentions.

Most of those pitches were off-speed. If you're trying to hit a guy, you don't do it with a 68 mph curve ball.

As for KC - before you call people idiots, perhaps you could get your act together enough to know what the conversation is about. There isn't a single person on this board (or FSU's, for that matter,) that thought the first slide was dirty.