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[The Mad Hatter]

In my mind there is a difference between a dirty play and a play that violate NCAA rules. NCAA rules disallow trying to break up a double play and collisions at home plate, but since these behaviors are widely accepted in baseball, it is hardly dirty for a player do it. Certainly, since it is against the rules, they should be called out (the double play becoming enforced by rule), and FSU fans have the right to complain about the call, but not about dirty play.

I feel the same way about retaliation hit by pitch calls (which some FSU fans have suggested by done to WSU players in return for the slides). It is against NCAA rules, but it is part of baseball and not dirty.

[RoyalShock]

Someone mentioned the FSU slide to try and break up a DP. I slo-mo'd one in the 6th inning and it looked to me like nearly all of his body was outside (to the right) the base. Only his left knee, which was bent toward the left side went over the base. As for body position, barely any difference in the two slides, at least from my vantage point.

[Hill Sitter]

From the FSU board:

"There was nothing dirty about that slide"

- Tony Delmonico

[WSUShokker]

As for the first slide, if anyone should be pissed it's WSU. Our guy is sliding into the bag and the gomer-ass second baseman flips the ball into the line. That's what made their guy get into position as if he was blocking the bag. We're lucky a guy in black and gold doesn't have a broken leg right now, because I've seen that happen on the exact same play.

As for the second slide, that was dirty. At least in the college game.

I dont understand that at all...what was dirty about that..and what is different about the college game..the guy has a right to basepath and the bag...get the ball there where it should be and its no problem....please explain ..maybe im just old and didnt know something had changed in that regard..

oops edit: I guess i need to update my browser once in a while..thanks for the input..

[newshock1234]

to me it looked clean, he has every right to the bag as the FSU player does, it not like he put his spikes up.

[tw805]

It's dirty because it's an illegal play that everyone knows about, and was certainly aware of after what happened in the first inning. In college, you're not allowed to come in high to bust up a double play, and you're certainly not allowed to come in spikes high. I'm not saying I necessarily like the rule, but it is what it is. I guess I'd compare it to an intentional foul in basketball.

By the way, every one of you knows you'd be livid if that was our shortstop that got drilled after being injured on the first one. I'm just trying to be objective here.

[newshock1234]

i didnt think he went up high, it was just a normal feet first slide to 2nd base

[tw805]

I would want to see it again. I could be wrong here, but on the first run I did not see your traditional hook slide. I saw him with spikes elevated in what would otherwise be a routine attempt to bust up the double play.

I agree with Royal. If the first play doesn't happen, we're not even talking about this one. I suppose we need a characterization other than dirty here. It's not underhanded or slimy, but you know what you're coming for. The intentional hit by pitch was a good example.

[macshocker2004]

ESPN showed the replay a number of times and from what it looked like through my eyes is that his feet did elevate a little bit, but he was already past the SS and his injured leg.

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

While I agree that if it was our shortstop Id be talking that stuff I hardly see that play as dirty at all.

As a matter of fact if you think that play was dirty then you are an idiot. Im talking banjo playing in the background squeal like a pig boy inbred idiot.


Now with that said.........

Reason why ASM doesnt play the game anymore #48796.

If that was me getting jawed at by the 3rd baseman we would have had a misunderstanding .

All in all good game. Im excited about tomorrow.

[The Mad Hatter]

I would want to see it again. I could be wrong here, but on the first run I did not see your traditional hook slide. I saw him with spikes elevated in what would otherwise be a routine attempt to bust up the double play.

I agree with Royal. If the first play doesn't happen, we're not even talking about this one. I suppose we need a characterization other than dirty here. It's not underhanded or slimy, but you know what you're coming for. The intentional hit by pitch was a good example.

I would say that it is similar to a foul in basketball. You did something that is against the rules, but that doesn't make it dirty. There are rules and consequences for breaking them, but we don't call every guy that gets into foul trouble a dirty player, or every foul a dirty play, even if a guy gets injured.

I would compare it to the time when Falker hit Matt hard and hurt him. It was a hard foul that resulted in a guy getting injured, but he wasn't trying to hurt him. It was just two guys hustling and colliding hard. Whenever a guy gets hurt on a play, or a guy who is already hurt goes down hard in any sport there is a tendency to call the play dirty, but that isn't really accurate.

[tw805]

While I agree that if it was our shortstop Id be talking that stuff I hardly see that play as dirty at all.

As a matter of fact if you think that play was dirty then you are an idiot. Im talking banjo playing in the background squeal like a pig boy inbred idiot.


Now with that said.........

Reason why ASM doesnt play the game anymore #48796.

If that was me getting jawed at by the 3rd baseman we would have had a misunderstanding .

All in all good game. Im excited about tomorrow.

I think a spikes high play is dirty. If you don't, you're a retard. I'm talking mouth-breathing, short bus, gap-eyed, Corky from Life Goes On retard.

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

While I agree that if it was our shortstop Id be talking that stuff I hardly see that play as dirty at all.

As a matter of fact if you think that play was dirty then you are an idiot. Im talking banjo playing in the background squeal like a pig boy inbred idiot.


Now with that said.........

Reason why ASM doesnt play the game anymore #48796.

If that was me getting jawed at by the 3rd baseman we would have had a misunderstanding .

All in all good game. Im excited about tomorrow.

I think a spikes high play is dirty. If you don't, you're a retard. I'm talking mouth-breathing, short bus, gap-eyed, Corky from Life Goes On retard.

dont get mad son.

His spikes didnt come up until AFTER he was well past the bag. Im blind and I clearly saw that.

[tw805]

I would want to see it again. I could be wrong here, but on the first run I did not see your traditional hook slide. I saw him with spikes elevated in what would otherwise be a routine attempt to bust up the double play.

I agree with Royal. If the first play doesn't happen, we're not even talking about this one. I suppose we need a characterization other than dirty here. It's not underhanded or slimy, but you know what you're coming for. The intentional hit by pitch was a good example.

I would say that it is similar to a foul in basketball. You did something that is against the rules, but that doesn't make it dirty. There are rules and consequences for breaking them, but we don't call every guy that gets into foul trouble a dirty player, or every foul a dirty play, even if a guy gets injured.

I would compare it to the time when Falker hit Matt hard and hurt him. It was a hard foul that resulted in a guy getting injured, but he wasn't trying to hurt him. It was just two guys hustling and colliding hard. Whenever a guy gets hurt on a play, or a guy who is already hurt goes down hard in any sport there is a tendency to call the play dirty, but that isn't really accurate.

If I recall correctly, the people on this board went absolutely nuts about that foul. There were all kinds of accusations of SIU "thuggery" and everything.

I agree with you. A hard slide to bust up the double play is not dirty. I'm sticking with my guns, though. If you go in high with metal spikes, you know damn well nothing good can come from that.

Edit: Once again, I don't know whether he truly came in high or not. I haven't gotten to see a replay. I'm talking hypothetically here.

[The Mad Hatter]

I would want to see it again. I could be wrong here, but on the first run I did not see your traditional hook slide. I saw him with spikes elevated in what would otherwise be a routine attempt to bust up the double play.

I agree with Royal. If the first play doesn't happen, we're not even talking about this one. I suppose we need a characterization other than dirty here. It's not underhanded or slimy, but you know what you're coming for. The intentional hit by pitch was a good example.

I would say that it is similar to a foul in basketball. You did something that is against the rules, but that doesn't make it dirty. There are rules and consequences for breaking them, but we don't call every guy that gets into foul trouble a dirty player, or every foul a dirty play, even if a guy gets injured.

I would compare it to the time when Falker hit Matt hard and hurt him. It was a hard foul that resulted in a guy getting injured, but he wasn't trying to hurt him. It was just two guys hustling and colliding hard. Whenever a guy gets hurt on a play, or a guy who is already hurt goes down hard in any sport there is a tendency to call the play dirty, but that isn't really accurate.

If I recall correctly, the people on this board went absolutely nuts about that foul. There were all kinds of accusations of SIU "thuggery" and everything.

I agree with you. A hard slide to bust up the double play is not dirty. I'm sticking with my guns, though. If you go in high with metal spikes, you know damn well nothing good can come from that.

I was against the idea that Falker was dirty, he was just aggressive. Coleman on the other hand, did stuff that I saw as dirty, eventhough Falker had a lot more hard fouls.

You are right, though. The major issue here is about how high the slide was. If the cleats come up before the collision it is probably dirty, if they come up after the collision, probably not dirty. It would be nice to have a replay.