GOOD PITCHING VS. GOOD HITTING

[William]

There is the million dollar question, Now think real hard about the presumption your question makes......what doesn't fit here?

Florida state is good at hitting

good pitching beats good hitting

FSU pounded our pitching unmercilessly

Now fill in the blanks

Our pitching is not ________

[billybud]

Hmmm...maybe that is significant...Rosenblatt is short on the left line (8 feet shorter than at FSU)....

Maybe FSU's stadium is set up to favor leftie pull hitters and guys that push hard right to opposite field while Omaha is set up to favor rightie pull hitters and lefties that push hard right..

It could make a difference, I guess, if your lineup favored one kind of hitter to suit your home field.

[7hottamales]

Yeah..and what happened to the WSU hitting at FSU? All the Shocker comments on the board about FSU's field being a small park...yet only 4 runs scored in each of WSU's last two games. Small park equates to a lot of runs and hitting. right? Maybe not all of the time...maybe you are right about streaks.

The FSU park really isn't all that small...sure, the right field line is only 320 (vs 335 for Rosenblatt)..but there is a 30 foot screen on top of the right field fence that has to be cleared. Left field is 340 (longer than Rosenblatt) and center is 400 feet (Rosenblatt 408).

Most of the right field HR's that I saw at Omaha would have been off the screen at FSU.

Can someone post the dimensions of Tyler field in comparison...I couldn't find it on the net but I browsed some pictures.

Rosenblatt dimensions:

Right...335
Center...408
Left...332

Eck - 330 down the lines, 375 to the power alleys, and 390 to center...the park comments are basically bitterness. Besides we were playing with the same dimensions and more left handed hitters.

[7hottamales]

There is the million dollar question, Now think real hard about the presumption your question makes......what doesn't fit here?

Florida state is good at hitting

good pitching beats good hitting

FSU pounded our pitching unmercilessly

Now fill in the blanks

Our pitching is not ________

The premise is flawed. It's sports.

[billybud]

Thanks for the dimensions of Eck...

I don't think the ballpark made any difference when I look at the dimensions...FSU is deeper on left and center and shorter on right, albeit with a 38 foot combined wall/screen.

FSU's left line is as far longer than Eck's as Eck's is on the right over FSU...and FSU's center is deeper....

Seems to me that it might be that FSU's park is actually larger than Eck...

Deeper in left and middle....shorter on right.

[7hottamales]

Thanks for the dimensions of Eck...

I don't think the ballpark made any difference when I look at the dimensions...FSU is deeper on left and center and shorter on right, albeit with a 38 foot combined wall/screen.

FSU's left line is as far longer than Eck's as Eck's is on the right over FSU...and FSU's center is deeper....

Seems to me that it might be that FSU's park is actually larger than Eck...

Deeper in left and middle....shorter on right.

You are assuming that the dimensions are actually posted correctly...not always the case. It doesn't matter anyways because we were pitching and hitting with the same elements. This sort of talk is comical.

[billybud]

yeah...I checked the FSU official site...

"The playing surface dimensions measure 320 feet to right field, 400 feet to center and 340 feet to left. Prior to the 1986 season, a screen was added to the top of the right field wall, increasing in five-foot increments from 20 feet in the power alley to 30 feet in right field - giving a unique effect. "

[ABC]

There is the million dollar question, Now think real hard about the presumption your question makes......what doesn't fit here?

Florida state is good at hitting

good pitching beats good hitting

FSU pounded our pitching unmercilessly

Now fill in the blanks

Our pitching is not ________

Flawed argument.

I trust the major league teams, that drafted our two losing pitchers in the 2nd and 4th rounds, respectfully, more than any fan on this message board.

We can not draw lots of conclusions from a three game series. Let's take a look at the other FSU (Fresno) who's now in the Championship round as a #4 seed. Didn't they beat the #1 or #2 team in the super regional, Arizona State?

[7hottamales]

yeah...I checked the FSU official site...

"The playing surface dimensions measure 320 feet to right field, 400 feet to center and 340 feet to left. Prior to the 1986 season, a screen was added to the top of the right field wall, increasing in five-foot increments from 20 feet in the power alley to 30 feet in right field - giving a unique effect. "

I understand that those are the "official" distances reported, but many ballparks have fudged those measurements. Like I said though it doesn't really matter.

[KC Shox]

This debate has nothing to do with the size of the ballpark. Both teams played on the same field.

Our no. 2 and 3 guys choked. Simple as that. Give credit to FSU hitters for cryin' out loud. They did a fantastic job working the count. They were patient at the plate, and when AS and AC demonstrated they could not throw a strike, FSU hitters set the trap, waited for the meatball pitch and destroyed us.

FSU hitters did not chase balls out of the strike zone like our hitters did. Compound this with the inability for AS and AC in throwing a strike and you get the formula for an ass kickin.

For two straight days, FSU hitters were in the groove, our pitchers weren't. It happens, it's baseball.

[billybud]

Speaking of Fresno...

Where have they been? They looked might good to me at the CWS.

Maybe they are catching fire late..but they looked like a very good baseball team..pitching and hitting.

[KC Shox]

Speaking of Fresno...

Where have they been? They looked might good to me at the CWS.

Maybe they are catching fire late..but they looked like a very good baseball team..pitching and hitting.

Their run is more impressive when you take into account that their number 1 and number 2 starting pitchers are out with injuries.

[WSUwatcher]

KC!

Wow -- I'm here to say that KC has it right? What's up with that?

Actaully, not quite, becuase I don't think I'd agree that Shafer and Capra "choked." There's probably no word more overused in all of sports than choke, and Shafer in particular long ago established that he responds well to big games. As for Capra, he was unfortunately just doing what he had been doing for the previous six weeks or so, so his debacle was a disappointment, but sadly, no surprise.

Still, call it what you will, KC has the bottom line right: FSU's hitters took a smart approach and capitalized when WSU's pitchers were off their game, while the Shocker hitters went into one of their periodic mental funks and couldn't figure out how to do the same thing. So, unless Shafer and Capra were suddenly panicked by pitching in a mini-park -- which probably wasn't the case, considering that Shafer was okay in the undersized stadium at Stillwater, while the way Capra was going he'd have struggled with his command in Yellowstone -- he's absolutely right that the ballpark was not the Shockers' problem. They were off their game, both pitchers and hitters, which happens in baseball -- and when you're playing a short series you simply can't afford to have that happen.

[tripleshock]

Fresno State is just another example that demonstrates the wrong-headedness of the SEC bias, both in the RPI and in the media.

There are a 'ton' of good-quality baseball teams coming out of the west coast, year after year, and usually one or two of them do 'suprising' things in the post season.....(well, at least surpising to anyone who listens to the media hype about those 'other' conferences).

The major differences with a lot of these west coast teams are:

their depth is usually very good, including both pitchers and hitters
they are well-coached
they play 'team baseball'
they usually play really good defense


just my opinion.

[billybud]

Fresno suprised me since they struggled in April with Nevada...going 1-3 and then splitting with New Mexico State 2-2 in May.

Since then...they look like a different team.