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  • The Week that Wasn't (5/12)

    The Shocks probably played themselves to #3 seed last week. 2-3 with embarrassing losses to Central Arkansas (RPI 168) and Evansville (RPI 271) and a virtual no-show vs. AZ State. WSU's RPI rank is now down to #39, with a 3-game dragger left vs. Bradley (#195) looming.

    Playing strictly by the numbers, a #3 seed is a real possibliity now.

    The optimists on the board keep saying stuff like, "If the Shocks win-out there's hope..." Blah-blah-blah. Shoot, the Shox last 4-game winning streak ended on April 2, some six weeks ago. Yes, at that point the Shox were 22-3, but it was largely against chopped liver and virtually all at home. Record since then: 16-11. How folks expect them to miraculously go on a long winning streak befuddles even me.

    Some in the silver-lining crowd have pronounced that the Shox weren't much better last year and still hosted, but they're WRONG about that. Last year's team had wins over Pepperdine, LBSU (2), CSFU and Creighton (5-8 vs. ranked teams before the NCAA tournament), plus 4 series sweeps in MVC play. This year, there have been only 2 MVC series sweeps and 0 wins vs ranked teams. Last year, the Shox RPI rank was 21 on 5/08, this year on 5/12 they're sitting at #39 - HUGE difference. On 5/29/08 after the MVC tournament, the Shox RPI rank was 22. It won't be anywhere near there this year because of the 3 remaining games vs. Bradley and the overall weakness of the conference this season (conference RPI 14). I expect a final RPI rank around 45.

    I wish it wasn't so, but the numbers don't lie. If it gets much worse, and if the Shox do not win the MVC tournament, they could be on the outside looking in this year when the NCAA tournament starts. The at-large field goes 34 deep, so a mid-40's RPI with a poor finish could be deadly.

    The starting pitching is there and the relief pitching is (usually) serviceable, but the rash of poor offense and poor defense has killed this team's chances.

    I posted this because I'm frustrated. There are some great guys on this team who deserve better, but the depth and consistency of the team as a whole have not materialized this year. That is all.

    --'85.
    Basketball Season Tix since '77-78 . . . . . . Baseball Season Tix since '88

  • #2
    Right

    Well, 85, I'm always an optimist, but I can't disagree with anything you say. I believe that if WSU wins the Valley regular season -- and they certainly have the upper hand given the remaining schedule -- WSU would get an at-large entry if they happen to need it, but there's no question that they've given away a great deal of their margin for error.

    Just playing teams like Central Arkansas and Evansville, with their records ranging from poor to terrible, hurts the RPI; losing to them absolutely devastates it, as well as giving the selectors an excuse if decide to omit the Shocks. The good news is that at least they may finally get to stop digging one starter too deep from here on out; the bad news is that their main guys aren't pitching all that well themselves at this point.

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    • #3
      I'm listening to Kennedy show - he's quite the optimist. He thinks this team just hasn't been focused and are going to turn it on when post season rolls around.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by SB Shock
        I'm listening to Kennedy show - he's quite the optimist. He thinks this team just hasn't been focused and are going to turn it on when post season rolls around.
        They better hope so. Getting a 3 seed in the NCAA tourney and getting shipped off far away never bode well for a team. And I'm still not sure they get to go unless they win the MVC tourney.

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        • #5
          Polls tell more than how WSU is doing. It tells how everyone is doing I see they must be just as bad or worse.
          First a Baseball fan then a Volleyball fan and then I guess I follow the basketball team.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by rrshock
            Originally posted by SB Shock
            I'm listening to Kennedy show - he's quite the optimist. He thinks this team just hasn't been focused and are going to turn it on when post season rolls around.
            They better hope so. Getting a 3 seed in the NCAA tourney and getting shipped off far away never bode well for a team. And I'm still not sure they get to go unless they win the MVC tourney.
            Under the present format being a 2 seed or 3 seed makes little difference. If WSU makes the NCAA's they will likely go to the either Nebraska or OSU regional. Might actually be better if they were sent off far away.

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            • #7
              Yes, a little geographical distance will make the pain of losing two 1-0 games in Regionals just barely tolerable.

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              • #8
                2 vs. 3

                Very true about #2 seed vs. #3, SB. Really, the only difference is who bats last in the first round game.

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                • #9
                  Re: 2 vs. 3

                  Originally posted by WSUwatcher
                  Very true about #2 seed vs. #3, SB. Really, the only difference is who bats last in the first round game.
                  The other difference is that the #2 seed still has a small chance of hosting.

                  This year San Diego is looking like a possible #1 seed with no chance of hosting. That means at least one #2 seed will be hosing if San Diego does indeed get a #1 seed.

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                  • #10
                    Re: 2 vs. 3

                    Originally posted by shocker3
                    Originally posted by WSUwatcher
                    Very true about #2 seed vs. #3, SB. Really, the only difference is who bats last in the first round game.
                    The other difference is that the #2 seed still has a small chance of hosting.

                    This year San Diego is looking like a possible #1 seed with no chance of hosting. That means at least one #2 seed will be hosing if San Diego does indeed get a #1 seed.
                    Except since it looks like NU and OSU have the midwest regional all but locked up, I doubt they would allow a 3rd Midwest regional (in fact I don't think there ever has been 3 mid-west regionals before).

                    For the fans sake, I guess we just have to hope the shox can:

                    1. Get to the NCAA (auto or at-large)
                    2. Win it
                    3. Hope for upsets galore so that WSU might get to host a super.

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                    • #11
                      Re: 2 vs. 3

                      Originally posted by SB Shock
                      Except since it looks like NU and OSU have the midwest regional all but locked up, I doubt they would allow a 3rd Midwest regional (in fact I don't think there ever has been 3 mid-west regionals before).

                      Last year Wichita State, Arkansas and Missouri all hosted.
                      In 2006, Oklahoma, Nebraska and Arkansas hosted. (Arkansas hosted as a 2)

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                      • #12
                        Come on Charlie, we all learned in grade school that Arkansas was part of the South :D
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by shock10
                          Polls tell more than how WSU is doing. It tells how everyone is doing I see they must be just as bad or worse.
                          Hogwash. Polls tall whether the voters had oatmeal for breakfast. The NCAA selection committee uses the polls to line their birdcages.

                          --'85.
                          Basketball Season Tix since '77-78 . . . . . . Baseball Season Tix since '88

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                          • #14
                            Re: 2 vs. 3

                            Originally posted by CharlieHog
                            Originally posted by SB Shock
                            Except since it looks like NU and OSU have the midwest regional all but locked up, I doubt they would allow a 3rd Midwest regional (in fact I don't think there ever has been 3 mid-west regionals before).

                            Last year Wichita State, Arkansas and Missouri all hosted.
                            In 2006, Oklahoma, Nebraska and Arkansas hosted. (Arkansas hosted as a 2)
                            That's a tough call since Arkansas is in the SEC. To me a Regional at Arkansas would be characterized as a SOUTH regional because of geography and conference affiliation.

                            One question I would ask is do you consider yourself part of the South or Mid-West? By most definitions, Arkansas is considered part of the south.,

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                            • #15
                              Re: 2 vs. 3

                              Originally posted by SB Shock
                              Originally posted by CharlieHog
                              Originally posted by SB Shock
                              Except since it looks like NU and OSU have the midwest regional all but locked up, I doubt they would allow a 3rd Midwest regional (in fact I don't think there ever has been 3 mid-west regionals before).

                              Last year Wichita State, Arkansas and Missouri all hosted.
                              In 2006, Oklahoma, Nebraska and Arkansas hosted. (Arkansas hosted as a 2)
                              That's a tough call since Arkansas is in the SEC. To me a Regional at Arkansas would be characterized as a SOUTH regional because of geography and conference affiliation.

                              One question I would ask is do you consider yourself part of the South or Mid-West? By most definitions, Arkansas is considered part of the south.,

                              I think the NCAA considers us Midwest. I know this because, before the switch to the 64 team bracket in 1999, we were sent to the "Midwest Regional" the vast majority of the time. Many times it was hosted by Wichita State, but sometimes in Stillwater or Tulsa.

                              We also rarely host "Southern" teams. The only one is Clemson in 1999. Last year we hosted Oklahoma State, Creighton and Albany. The year before it was Oklahoma State, Oral Roberts and Princeton. In 2004 it was Wichita State, Missouri and LeMoyne.

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