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  • Things that need to get right real quick gosh dammit!!!!!!!!

    First, KWJ - since MO State ending our nice little win streak and then onto facing stiffer competition, KWJ is 14-64 at the plate with 18k's and 9 RBIs. That folks translates into a .218 batting average. He needs to be put back in the 9 hole and get over his choke job tonight that cost us the game.

    Second, Josh Workman - I am encouraged that he was able to play, whether or not he was 100 percent we'll never know. But JW at 80 percent is better than any option we have on the bench at 100 percent.

    Third, 5 through 9 hitters - Hopefully, HOPEFULLY they got out of their 20 game extended funk, we need more production to save our relief pitching.

    Fourth - Bench play - Engrav, Sisney, Caster, Brown, Bascue, Hall, Lassley, Muncrief, and Hall are a combined 41 of 230 which is a batting average of .178 no HR's and 27 RBI's.

    Fifth - Relief Pitching - It is obvious Gene has no confidence with certain members of the relief staff now. Come tourney time, Hoch, Fleming and Kemp I feel will give us solid efforts. The rest of the guys are so unpredictible. We are going to need the Shox to get into some blow out situations to give guys like Nanney, Smith, and Womack some innings in order for them to get some confidence back and to work out the kinks. If not, and we have to come back in the losers bracket in a regional or MVC tourney, we are in real trouble.

    Sixth - Mental State of Mind - the past 2 1/2 weeks this team has been shut out twice, blown two ninth inning leads to lose the game and now have lost three in a row. No doubt these guys are pissed - this is where we see how this team reacts to adversity. Will they come out this weekend looking to kill somebody and run rule UNI, or will they mope around and give up. We will find out.

    Can anyone think of anything else?

    As a post script. We have lost our chance to host a regional. Both KSU and OU were very beatable teams, both have RPI's in the Top 100 and having lost three in a row to teams we had no business losing to hurts. The only, ONLY way I see us hosting is going undefeated the rest of the regular season and go undefeated in the MVC Tournament. That means 15-0 which would give us the regular and conference tourney championships and an overall record of 45 - 11. The three non-D1 games will not be counted.

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    I'd like to see the WSU "fan" base get their heads on straight. Of course, I have a hard time thinking someone actually cares for a team and is a fanatic when they bet against the team.

    This has nothing to do with what is going on the field, but when fans act like spoiled children, it just sucks.

    Also, we lost to K-State last year and got swept by ORU and still hosted. We will lose our chance to host a regional when the committee says so, no sooner. Last year it was predicted here that we would not host, and when we did that we would lose to ORU. Two years ago it was predicted that we wouldn't even go to a regional. This prediction masturbation is trite and I'm done with this site and the idiots that it fosters for awhile.

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    • #3
      Well, I'm glad to know Rose will be off his loft for a bit, while us annoying little peasants meander on without him.

      It doesn't make us any less of a fan when we're being realistic. I dunno why some people think you have to always think positive and entirely unrealistic to be a 'true' fan. It's annoying.

      Would you care to put some $$ down on WSU hosting a regional this year then Rose?

      I'll be waiting..









      (for a no response because you don't wanna put your $$ where your mouth is)
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      ... No really, deuces.
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      • #4
        I actually do agree with Rose, it seems like we didn't have near as good a record last year as we did this year, we didn't win the valley tournament, and we still hosted. Rose put it into perspective, there is still a chance to host a regional. It may be a longshot now, but there's always a chance.

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        • #5
          We have lost 11 games by 27 total runs. We have not lost by more than 4 (@ Creighton), we have played a total of 27 home games including non-DI teams and have a 24-3 record in those games. We have played 17 road games with a 9-8 record.

          We have not played any team that was definitively better than us. We have beaten ourselves, not the other way around. There is not a team in the country we couldn't beat.

          The only question is whether or not we play like it.

          If I'm a team that is clearly not hosting a regional, I am PRAYING that Wichita doesn't host, and if they do, that we don't get sent there.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Downtown Shocker Brown
            We have lost 11 games by 27 total runs. We have not lost by more than 4 (@ Creighton), we have played a total of 27 home games including non-DI teams and have a 24-3 record in those games. We have played 17 road games with a 9-8 record.

            We have not played any team that was definitively better than us. We have beaten ourselves, not the other way around. There is not a team in the country we couldn't beat.

            The only question is whether or not we play like it.

            If I'm a team that is clearly not hosting a regional, I am PRAYING that Wichita doesn't host, and if they do, that we don't get sent there.
            Exactly!!!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Rosewood
              I'd like to see the WSU "fan" base get their heads on straight. Of course, I have a hard time thinking someone actually cares for a team and is a fanatic when they bet against the team.

              This has nothing to do with what is going on the field, but when fans act like spoiled children, it just sucks.

              Also, we lost to K-State last year and got swept by ORU and still hosted. We will lose our chance to host a regional when the committee says so, no sooner. Last year it was predicted here that we would not host, and when we did that we would lose to ORU. Two years ago it was predicted that we wouldn't even go to a regional. This prediction masturbation is trite and I'm done with this site and the idiots that it fosters for awhile.
              Your hosting arguement is full of holes. At the exact same time last year, the Shox had a record of 34-10 (with only one win over a non D1 program) however, had Top 25 wins over Pepperdine, Long Beach 2X and a win against Nebraska. Our resume' is no where as good right now compared to last years. So don't give me that crap.

              You got me pegged for someone who could really cares about our hosting chances. Would I like for us to host - you betcha', however, my main concern right now is for this team to find itself. Defense, 5-9 hitter production, relief pitching and bench play has been poor the past 15-20 games. It has cost us games that we had no business losing and as a side effect, it has hurt our chances to host a regional.

              Again, hosting is a secondary concern for me. I have no doubt this team will be invited to post season play and that is the most important goal. Hosting is icing on the cake. But I'm afraid we are going into the post season not playing Shocker baseball. If we continue to play like we are, the Shox will be going into the post season playing baseball that will result in a 2 and BBQ. At minimum, we should be in another Super Regional based on the talent this team is capable of playing up to.

              Lastly, spoiled children huh? We laughed at KU basketball when they got eliminated from the NCAA's by Bucknell and Bradley. Why? Because they choked and didn't play up to their ability...this sound familiar. Just like KU b-ball fans, they are used to success, winning, tradition just like we feel toward our baseball program. And if fans see a talented group of players play horrible and know they can do better, yeah it's frustrating and we get angry. So don't be a hyprocrite and laugh at KU but then turnaround and get all salty at WSU fans who are frustrated for the exact same reason KU fans got all bent out of shape.

              You really need to take off those yellow sunglasses from time-to-time. P.S. No one cares if you take a break from SN for a while. SN and myself will continue on without you. Actually, I'd like to thank you for taking a vacation.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by shockerfanmas
                I actually do agree with Rose, it seems like we didn't have near as good a record last year as we did this year, we didn't win the valley tournament, and we still hosted.
                You have to look at the whole picture. WSU had played a much tougher schedule last year, with a good RPI and a number of quality wins that this year team doesn't have. Last year team played well whether at home or away. In every category, last year team is just better. Thats why they got a regional. Their so called "body of work" at least at this moment does not support hosting a regional as a #1 (as a #2?)


                2007 Record: 52-22
                2008 Record: 30-11

                2007 SOS: 44
                2008 SOS: 89 (and will fall with EU and BU)

                2007 RPI: 21
                2008 RPI: 36 (will likely fall further unless they play perfect)

                2007 vs Top 50: 12-12
                2008 vs Top 50: 5-6

                2007 vs Top 51-100: 13-6
                2008 vs Top 51-100: 3-2

                2007 vs Top 101-200: 16-3
                2008 vs Top 101-200: 13-3

                2007 vs Top 200+: 11-1
                2008 vs Top 200+: 9-1

                2007 Non-Conf: 20-4
                2008 Non-Conf: 19-7

                2007 Away: 20-8
                2008 Away: 9-8

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                • #9
                  Thank you SB. The facts don't lie. That'll shut em' up.

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                  • #10
                    I agree, thanks for posting some facts.

                    It was getting rather tiresome this year of hearing how much "better" the 2008 team is than the 2007 team was......

                    Just because a team racks up some numbers against weak competition, and runs off a winning streak, and is "proclaimed" to have such good "chemistry"....these things become a lot less meaningful when exposed to the harsh light of those 'bothersome facts'.

                    Bottom line is, last year's team advanced to a Super Regional (at home), into the Championship game before they folded up tent....is this year's team going to be capable of that?

                    Not looking like it right now, but I guess we'll see.....
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                    • #11
                      What none of you guys are mentioning is $$$. The committee knows that WSU will bring in well over 7,000 fans to a regional.

                      I'm sure they'll take into consideration our facility compared to OSU's 4,000 max cap.

                      Just a thought.
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                      • #12
                        Again, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story. WSU's regional average for the 2007 regional was 6070, and games 2 and 3 were 4236 and 5102. A far cry from "well over 7000 fans".

                        OSU has hosted many times before, in fact Allie P. Reynolds has hosted regionals 9 times.

                        In the regional/super regional era, the NCAA pays far less attention to the financial "bid" than they did in the days of eight six-team regionals. The sixteen 4-team regionals are all about rewarding the percieved best teams for their season-long performance. The economic factors are weighed much less heavily than in the past.

                        There are cases where teams can't get municipal stadiums or have woefully inadequate home facilities (rare), and they'll send them on the road as a #1 seed. This doesn't happen much. In 2007, all 16 regional hosts were #1 seeds. In 2007, there was one #2 host (Fullerton). In 2006, there was one #2 host (Arkansas).

                        Not that there isn't a precenent, but it is rare.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Shocker85
                          Again, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story. WSU's regional average for the 2007 regional was 6070, and games 2 and 3 were 4236 and 5102. A far cry from "well over 7000 fans".
                          Exaggerations were patented by Coldblooded (RIP) on Shockernet. :good:
                          SFL is back!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by SFL
                            Originally posted by Shocker85
                            Again, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story. WSU's regional average for the 2007 regional was 6070, and games 2 and 3 were 4236 and 5102. A far cry from "well over 7000 fans".
                            Exaggerations were patented by Coldblooded (RIP) on Shockernet. :good:
                            Why do you say RPI for Cold, what happened to him, I haven't seen him lately.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by KC Shox
                              Originally posted by SFL
                              Originally posted by Shocker85
                              Again, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story. WSU's regional average for the 2007 regional was 6070, and games 2 and 3 were 4236 and 5102. A far cry from "well over 7000 fans".
                              Exaggerations were patented by Coldblooded (RIP) on Shockernet. :good:
                              Why do you say RPI for Cold, what happened to him, I haven't seen him lately.
                              Buddy, you must have RPI on the brain... it's RIP. I'm not sure where he went, but it's been a couple of months since we've been blessed with his presence. Hmmm, dofo and Cold... Jekyll & Hyde?
                              :D
                              SFL is back!

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