SEBaseball Regional Projection

[WSUwatcher]

Bored, cont'd

Dizzle, before you get all worked up about nothing, have you considered the possibility that the guy doesn't have a clue? We already know he has no influence, so what the hell -- he can blow smoke all he wants.

Maybe he does believe that the world will end on May 11, in which case none of us will be around to scoff at his silly projection anyway

[ShockerFever]

I bet it has more to do with the RPI. I really don't think anybody that legitimately follows college baseball (Mark does) would have a bias against non-BCS schools.

A team with a Top 30 RPI, a 24-4 record, and a No.5 national ranking and to be a No.2 seed at the No.5 national seed's ballpark isn't bias?

You're joking right?

Well the top 16 teams get 1 seeds. So a top 30 RPI gets you a 2 seed. Not saying RPI is all they do or should go by, but it's an explanation that doesn't require a tin foil hat if you know what I mean.

If that theory held true, then a non-power baseball conference school would never get a No.1 seed. The Valley is going to continually penalize WSU's RPI because WSU is in the Valley. Is that WSU's fault?

Let me ask you something.

If Arkansas had the same numbers WSU had (and yes I know if Arkansas had a No.5 ranking, they'd likely have a Top 5 RPI, but let's just say hypothetically), what would you think their seed and hosting/traveling responsibilities should be?

[Cdizzle]

I bet it has more to do with the RPI. I really don't think anybody that legitimately follows college baseball (Mark does) would have a bias against non-BCS schools.

A team with a Top 30 RPI, a 24-4 record, and a No.5 national ranking and to be a No.2 seed at the No.5 national seed's ballpark isn't bias?

You're joking right?

Well the top 16 teams get 1 seeds. So a top 30 RPI gets you a 2 seed. Not saying RPI is all they do or should go by, but it's an explanation that doesn't require a tin foil hat if you know what I mean.

So will the RPI ever be used without a double standard?

You'll have to explain that to me.

If they want to rank everyone by their RPI, I wouldn't have a problem with it. Not at all. We could look at the schedule and say, "we should have done this differently". But if they're just going to rank people however they want, and then use that as an excuse in certain cases, then I don't buy it. As others have pointed out, there really isn't much need to worry about it right now anyway, the only thing we can do at this point is win. We do that, and everything else will take care of itself.

[CharlieHog]

I bet it has more to do with the RPI. I really don't think anybody that legitimately follows college baseball (Mark does) would have a bias against non-BCS schools.

A team with a Top 30 RPI, a 24-4 record, and a No.5 national ranking and to be a No.2 seed at the No.5 national seed's ballpark isn't bias?

You're joking right?

Well the top 16 teams get 1 seeds. So a top 30 RPI gets you a 2 seed. Not saying RPI is all they do or should go by, but it's an explanation that doesn't require a tin foil hat if you know what I mean.

If that theory held true, then a non-power baseball conference school would never get a No.1 seed. The Valley is going to continually penalize WSU's RPI because WSU is in the Valley. Is that WSU's fault?

Let me ask you something.

If Arkansas had the same numbers WSU had (and yes I know if Arkansas had a No.5 ranking, they'd likely have a Top 5 RPI, but let's just say hypothetically), what would you think their seed and hosting/traveling responsibilities should be?

I am not arguing that RPI is or should be the only deciding factor in deciding seeding. I said that's just one possible explanation. Also just looking at WarrenNolan's RPI really quick I think I counted 10 non-BCS conference teams with RPI's higher than yours, and several in the top 16.

[ShockerFever]

I am not arguing that RPI is or should be the only deciding factor in deciding seeding. I said that's just one possible explanation. Also just looking at WarrenNolan's RPI really quick I think I counted 10 non-BCS conference teams with RPI's higher than yours, and several in the top 16.

I think you missed the key phrase in my post... 'non-power baseball conference'. There's a difference in power conferences for baseball and other sports. The Big West and Conference USA are power baseball conferences. The Valley, on the other hand, is not.

And you still didn't answer my initial question..

[shocks02]

Rivals is all a joke. WSU at #14? In the 4 other major polls we are 5,5,8, and 9.

[rrshock]

If that theory held true, then a non-power baseball conference school would never get a No.1 seed. The Valley is going to continually penalize WSU's RPI because WSU is in the Valley. Is that WSU's fault?

So is it time then for WSU to look for another conference?

Could WSU fill that 12th spot in the Big 12 and still play MVC in everything else?

[ABC]

If that theory held true, then a non-power baseball conference school would never get a No.1 seed. The Valley is going to continually penalize WSU's RPI because WSU is in the Valley. Is that WSU's fault?

So is it time then for WSU to look for another conference?

Could WSU fill that 12th spot in the Big 12 and still play MVC in everything else?

I think there are two spots b/c neither Colorado nor Iowa State have baseball.

This is an idea that has been discussed, but even calling it unlikely is a stretch.

There was a newspaper columnist in Texas, possibly Houston, that suggested the Big 12 add WSU and Rice for baseball only.

That would be one helluva baseball conference.

[Shirley Schmidt]

Could WSU fill that 12th spot in the Big 12 and still play MVC in everything else?

Be careful what you wish for, the record of never winning less than 40 games a year could be in serious trouble it that scenario played out.

[The Mad Hatter]

Could WSU fill that 12th spot in the Big 12 and still play MVC in everything else?

Be careful what you wish for, the record of never losing less than 40 games a year could be in serious trouble it that scenario played out.

If I had a record of never losing less than 40 games a year, I would be happy to see it broken.

[rrshock]

If that theory held true, then a non-power baseball conference school would never get a No.1 seed. The Valley is going to continually penalize WSU's RPI because WSU is in the Valley. Is that WSU's fault?

So is it time then for WSU to look for another conference?

Could WSU fill that 12th spot in the Big 12 and still play MVC in everything else?

I think there are two spots b/c neither Colorado nor Iowa State have baseball.

This is an idea that has been discussed, but even calling it unlikely is a stretch.

There was a newspaper columnist in Texas, possibly Houston, that suggested the Big 12 add WSU and Rice for baseball only.

That would be one helluva baseball conference.

That would indeed.

I was just throwing that out as an option. If everyone is so unhappy with the MVC holding down WSU.

[SpanglerFan316]

I bet it has more to do with the RPI. I really don't think anybody that legitimately follows college baseball (Mark does) would have a bias against non-BCS schools.

A team with a Top 30 RPI, a 24-4 record, and a No.5 national ranking and to be a No.2 seed at the No.5 national seed's ballpark isn't bias?

You're joking right?

Well the top 16 teams get 1 seeds. So a top 30 RPI gets you a 2 seed. Not saying RPI is all they do or should go by, but it's an explanation that doesn't require a tin foil hat if you know what I mean.

Charlie ... Is your post serious? RPI means nothing.

[SB Shock]

Re: SEBaseball Regional Projection

What a joke:

http://sebaseball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=794921

Lincoln Regional

1. Nebraska
4. Illinois Chicago

2. Wichita State
3. Oral Roberts

Nebraska as the #5 National Seed. Check out some of the other host sites that they project. Are you kidding me. I know it doesn't mean anything, but come on we deserve more respect than this we should be projected as a host and 1 seed, if not a possible national seed at this point in the season. I know it only matters in June, but this still pisses me off a little.

The products that SEBaseball put out are quality (it's not rival).

Bottomline is WSU body of work at this moment has not earned them a No. 1 seed. Keep winning mid-week games and dominate the MVC.

Here is the Top 16 seeds, who should WSU replace as No. 1? I have highlighted the teams I think that WSU could replace. Here is WSU numbers to this point:

RPI 29, 5-3 versus Top 50, 2-1 versus Top 51-100

1. Florida St. - RPI 1, 11-2 versus Top 50
2. Miami - RPI 2, 10-2 versus Top 50
3. Arizona St. - RPI 3, 9-2 versus Top 50
4. N. Carolina - RPI 4, 3-3 versus Top 50, 15-3 versus Top 51-100
5. Nebraska - RPI 5, 6-4 versus Top 50, 16-0 versus Top 51-100
6. California - RPI 7, 12-4 versus Top 50, 6-2 versus Top 51-100
7. Stanford - RPI 6, 12-5 versus Top 50 (negative 2-4 versus 101-200)
8. CSF - RPI 11, 10-8 versus Top 50, 5-2 versus Top 51-100

9. Florda - RPI 13, 10-7 versus Top 50
10. S. Carolina - RPI 12, 7-8 versus Top 50, 9-0 versus Top 51-100
11. UNC-Wilmingtnon - RPI 20, 3-1 versus Top 50, 4-1, versus Top 51-100
12. Georgia - RPI 18, 12-7 versus Top 50,
13. S. Miss - RPI 8, 4-7 versus Top 50, 8-2 versus Top 51-100
14. Rice - RPI 23, 6-8 versus Top 50, 2-0 versus Top 51-100
15. UC-Irvine - RPI 9, 2-3 versus Top 50, 11-1 versus Top 51-100
16. Oregon St. - RPI 15, 5-7 versus Top 50, 3-2 versus Top 51-100

[CharlieHog]

I am not arguing that RPI is or should be the only deciding factor in deciding seeding. I said that's just one possible explanation. Also just looking at WarrenNolan's RPI really quick I think I counted 10 non-BCS conference teams with RPI's higher than yours, and several in the top 16.

I think you missed the key phrase in my post... 'non-power baseball conference'. There's a difference in power conferences for baseball and other sports. The Big West and Conference USA are power baseball conferences. The Valley, on the other hand, is not.

And you still didn't answer my initial question..

Okay then I agree. You are the one that said "BCS BS" not "power conference" BS. That's why I said you can't have a BCS bias and follow college baseball, because not all power conferences are BCS conferences.

You guys are a traditional baseball power, in a relatively weak geographical area (for hosting regionals), with a nice big stadium. You guys need to shrug that chip off your shoulder in this sport.

[shockfan89]

I am not arguing that RPI is or should be the only deciding factor in deciding seeding. I said that's just one possible explanation. Also just looking at WarrenNolan's RPI really quick I think I counted 10 non-BCS conference teams with RPI's higher than yours, and several in the top 16.

I think you missed the key phrase in my post... 'non-power baseball conference'. There's a difference in power conferences for baseball and other sports. The Big West and Conference USA are power baseball conferences. The Valley, on the other hand, is not.

And you still didn't answer my initial question..

Okay then I agree. You are the one that said "BCS BS" not "power conference" BS. That's why I said you can't have a BCS bias and follow college baseball, because not all power conferences are BCS conferences.

You guys are a traditional baseball power, in a relatively weak geographical area (for hosting regionals), with a nice big stadium. You guys need to shrug that chip off your shoulder in this sport.

But Charlie! Our weather the first week of June is usually just as good as the SEC's weather the first week of March. :D

In all reality you are right. It is harder for us to host in the Midwest than if we were in the South. If one or two Big 12 North teams have a great year we struggle to host no matter how good we are.