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Might have to go get a few good juco players to bridge the gap between now and the 2021 class if all the 2020 talent is gone. Might be a few good ones out there that went juco so that they could be eligible for the draft after one year but didn't get picked high enough to sign.
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Bingo, Doc.Originally posted by WuDrWu View Post
Butler was supposed to be a big-time recruiter, as apparently he was at Arkansas; and he obviously didn't completely forget how to identify talent, as evidenced by some of the highly drafted WSU players from his program. Where he came up short was (a) in translating a number of individual talents into a cohesive, fundamentally sound, and consistently winning unit; and -- at least in my view -- (b) in successfully coaching up the guys he brought in.
Those were two things the Gene regime excelled at during his long run of success, and there is every reason to believe the Wedge crew will bring back the swagger, competence, and expectation of success we took for granted for so long. And as you say, none of that requires rebuilding. I fully expect the talent on hand next season to produce a better record, and quite possibly a much better record, than the same talent would have produced had the change not been made.
Talent matters, but coaching counts for a lot too, and I expect to see the evidence of that in 2020.Comment
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How about Arnie Beyeler?Comment
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Just how much do guys like Beyeler and Hottovy make as MLB coaches? Yes, Beyeler has been up and down a few times between the majors and the minors, but are they out of reach as a college assistant?Originally posted by Cdizzle View PostComment
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From an admittedly unreliable source: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/sunday-n...rds-step-more/Originally posted by ShockTalk View Post
"Salaries at the big league level are fairly generous. Some managers make seven figures. Hitting and pitching coaches are paid anywhere from $150,000 to $350,000, with a select few earning far more. Bench coaches earn between $150,000-$250,000. Third base coaches are around $130,000-$140,000. First base coaches are in the $100,000-$110,000 range. Bullpen coaches bring home roughly $90,000."
That blog post indicates considerably lower salaries at the MiLB level.Comment
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This is last year's salaries for MLB Managers. They are probably several percentage points higher on the average this year. 21 of 28 made over 1 Million. I'm sure that minor coaching salaries are much less.
Ranking MLB managers by salary - 2018 season- 1. Mike Scioscia, Los Angeles Angels: $6 million
- 1. Joe Maddon, Chicago Cubs, $6 million
- 1. Bruce Bochy, San Francisco Giants: $6 million
- 4. Terry Francona, Cleveland Indians: $4 million
- 4. Buck Showalter, Baltimore Orioles: $4 million
- 6. Ned Yost, Kansas City Royals: $3.7 million
- 7. Clint Hurdle, Pittsburgh Pirates: $3 million
- 7. #John Farrell, Boston Red Sox: $3 million
- 9. Bob Melvin, Oakland A’s: $2.5 million
- 10. Don Mattingly, Miami Marlins: $2.4 million
- 11. #Mike Matheny, St. Louis Cardinals: $1.9 million
- 12. John Gibbons, Toronto Blue Jays: $1.7 million
- 13. Ron Gardenhire, Detroit Tigers: $1.5 million
- 13. Craig Counsell, Milwaukee Brewers: $1.5 million
- 13. Paul Molitor, Minnesota Twins: $1.5 million
- 13. Bud Black, Colorado Rockies: $1.5 million
- 17. #Bryan Price, Cincinnati Reds: $1.4 million
- 18. A.J. Hinch, Houston Astros: $1.2 million
- 18. Rick Renteria, Chicago White Sox: $1.2 million
- 20. Aaron Boone, New York Yankees: $1.15 million
- 21. Kevin Cash, Tampa Bay Rays: $1 million
- 21. Dave Roberts, Los Angeles Dodgers: $1 million
- 21. Andy Green, San Diego Padres: $1 million
- 24. Jeff Bannister, Texas Rangers: $950,000
- 25. Torey Lovullo, Arizona Diamondbacks: $900,000
- 26. Davey Martinez, Washington Nationals: $850,000
- 26. Mickey Callaway, New York Mets: $850,000
- 28. Gabe Kapler, Philadelphia Phillies: $803,000
- 29. Alex Cora, Boston Red Sox: $800,000
- 29. Scott Servais, Seattle Mariners: $800,000
- 29. Brian Snitker, Atlanta Braves: $800,000
- 32. @Jim Riggleman, Cincinnati Reds: $700,000 (prorated)
- 32. Mike Shildt, St. Louis Cardinals: $700,00 (prorated)
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"So why was the appeal of returning to his alma mater in a lesser role too hard to turn down now?
“Because we’re going to get this thing turned around. It’s going to happen, I’m telling you right now,” Hibbs told The Eagle. “Don’t take that as me being arrogant, it’s just that is the mentality that goes with being a Shocker baseball alum. That mentality centers around toughness and treating people the right way and the things Eric talked about in his press conference.
Nobody can predict a timeline on this thing, but when you get those qualities back and put the right people in place and get the right players, it might take a little bit of time but it’s going to happen. People need to get on board right now."
Holy ****. Let's go!Comment
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Good get by Wedge. A guy who has done it all and recruited very good college players. Fantastic!Comment
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Loren knows the nuts and bolts of a college program. I hope GS and BK wait to be asked about their opinions and not give it all the time freelyComment
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I hope they give their unsolicited opinions on everything! Wedge isn't afraid of disagreement and won't be intimidated. If you got Hibbs, GS, BK, providing their input, Wedge will be able to make the best decision possible, and it will be his decision, but at least he will have several great college baseball minds giving their input. That is a lot of passion for Shocker Baseball right there!
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For what it's worth...Standiford has his final interview with the Shox this week. Not sure who else, if anyone is interviewing for the head recruiting position.Comment
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I'm so happy about this turn of events that I'm actually paying attention to Shocker baseball again. What a great couple of hires so far!Comment
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I guess that answers my question about whether Standiford would play second fiddle to Wedge. On the other hand, it looks like we may have a number of 1st chair fiddle players all knowing their part to play.Originally posted by shocker22 View PostComment
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