NU/WSU

[Schmakey]

That's a bunch of Hanky Schmakey!

That would have been funnier you it rhymed. A bunch of Hackey Schmakey....good try though.

But it is true.....

[shox1989]

If you want to feel any better. OK State is going through the same thing we are and they got T Boone money.

Maybe I'm not understanding the context. OSU is third in the Big-12 with a RPI of 27 and ranked in the top 25.

You're right, I should have clarified. In 2009, OSU finished with a 34 - 24 record. In 2010, they finished with a 29 - 26 record. Now they are bouncing back. They have great tradition and even the best can suffer as we are now.

But we all need to accept the fact the days of old are long gone and the Shox are entering a different and more challenging era in college baseball. More competition, more parity and less available talent means more up and down years to come for Shocker baseball.

This ain't all on Gene and staff.

We have arguably the finest overall collegiate baseball facility in the country. We have (did have) one of the most loyal fan bases in the country. Heck, we out draw most programs regardless of weather. I don't care what league we play in; we should expect and demand more from this program and there are no excuses. I’m glad not everyone shares your 'defeatist attitude'. :(

You obviously don't travel very much. We have nice facilities but they are not the best in the country.

Creighton may now be able to make that claim, but not us.

[SFL]

If you want to feel any better. OK State is going through the same thing we are and they got T Boone money.

Maybe I'm not understanding the context. OSU is third in the Big-12 with a RPI of 27 and ranked in the top 25.

You're right, I should have clarified. In 2009, OSU finished with a 34 - 24 record. In 2010, they finished with a 29 - 26 record. Now they are bouncing back. They have great tradition and even the best can suffer as we are now.

But we all need to accept the fact the days of old are long gone and the Shox are entering a different and more challenging era in college baseball. More competition, more parity and less available talent means more up and down years to come for Shocker baseball.

This ain't all on Gene and staff.

We have arguably the finest overall collegiate baseball facility in the country. We have (did have) one of the most loyal fan bases in the country. Heck, we out draw most programs regardless of weather. I don't care what league we play in; we should expect and demand more from this program and there are no excuses. I’m glad not everyone shares your 'defeatist attitude'. :(

You obviously don't travel very much. We have nice facilities but they are not the best in the country.

Creighton may now be able to make that claim, but not us.

Nope, I'm a stay at home bum; however I should have said, "arguably one of the finest OVERALL collegiate baseball facilities..." I thought Creighton's new digs were rented and not owned? If so, rented doesn't count. :D

[DUShock]

Krusty is rusty and I may make one more game this season, it's too frustrating.

[KC Shox]

If you want to feel any better. OK State is going through the same thing we are and they got T Boone money.

Maybe I'm not understanding the context. OSU is third in the Big-12 with a RPI of 27 and ranked in the top 25.

You're right, I should have clarified. In 2009, OSU finished with a 34 - 24 record. In 2010, they finished with a 29 - 26 record. Now they are bouncing back. They have great tradition and even the best can suffer as we are now.

But we all need to accept the fact the days of old are long gone and the Shox are entering a different and more challenging era in college baseball. More competition, more parity and less available talent means more up and down years to come for Shocker baseball.

This ain't all on Gene and staff.

We have arguably the finest overall collegiate baseball facility in the country. We have (did have) one of the most loyal fan bases in the country. Heck, we out draw most programs regardless of weather. I don't care what league we play in; we should expect and demand more from this program and there are no excuses. I’m glad not everyone shares your 'defeatist attitude'. :(

Seriously? There are legitimate and valid excuses as to why the Shox are no longer a dominant baseball program. If you choose to put on blinders and ignore this, then that's your problem and you need to deal with it. Just because we have one of the nicer facilities in the nation and have a great fanbase doesn't equate to baseball success. IMO, if all things being equal and the trump card is our fanbase and facilities then a recruit will go with us. But that is far as it goes.

I'm not ruling out that the baseball Shox will never be relevant again in college baseball, but we all need to accept that we no longer will be Top 35 year-in and year-out. Following the Shox from now on is going to be a roller coaster ride, a lot of ups and downs.

What did the Shox do in terms of recruiting following their back-to-back super regional appearances? We sure didn't parlay this success into recruiting the level of talent it takes to maintain this level of play did we?

[shocker3]

If you want to feel any better. OK State is going through the same thing we are and they got T Boone money.

Maybe I'm not understanding the context. OSU is third in the Big-12 with a RPI of 27 and ranked in the top 25.

You're right, I should have clarified. In 2009, OSU finished with a 34 - 24 record. In 2010, they finished with a 29 - 26 record. Now they are bouncing back. They have great tradition and even the best can suffer as we are now.

But we all need to accept the fact the days of old are long gone and the Shox are entering a different and more challenging era in college baseball. More competition, more parity and less available talent means more up and down years to come for Shocker baseball.

This ain't all on Gene and staff.

We have arguably the finest overall collegiate baseball facility in the country. We have (did have) one of the most loyal fan bases in the country. Heck, we out draw most programs regardless of weather. I don't care what league we play in; we should expect and demand more from this program and there are no excuses. I’m glad not everyone shares your 'defeatist attitude'. :(

You obviously don't travel very much. We have nice facilities but they are not the best in the country.

Creighton may now be able to make that claim, but not us.

Nope, I'm a stay at home bum; however I should have said, "arguably one of the finest OVERALL collegiate baseball facilities..." I thought Creighton's new digs were rented and not owned? If so, rented doesn't count. :D

While I love our facilites and I am very biased, Creighton's new digs (even though they are rented) will blow us out of the water.

Creighton is the only team that will be playing baseball there (besides the CWS) so they don't have to share their stadium the way Missouri St has to.

As someone who has travelled to all of the Valley stadiums many times, objectively Eck Stadium is only the 4th best now in the Valley.

TD Ameritrade (Cu's home) is definitely the best, followed by Bradley (O Brien field is much like Hammons Field but with Palm Trees in the outfield), Hammons Field and then WSU.

Personally I like our yard better than Springfield or Peoria, but it is because I am biased they are definitely better facilities (although they are rented)

I will add that all of the Valley schools have made big improvements to their facilites over the last 10 years, but in some cases that isn't saying much.

[Shirley Schmidt]

Eck Stadium is only the 4th best now in the Valley.

Apples and Oranges here, the top three are still all RENTED STADIUMS.

Of course I say tear down the pig of a stadium that we have and put back the metal bleachers, tear out the stupid computerized swing analyzer system, find a new young coach, and entire staff, that will bring in some kids that can play ball.

[ShockTalk]

If you want to feel any better. OK State is going through the same thing we are and they got T Boone money.

Maybe I'm not understanding the context. OSU is third in the Big-12 with a RPI of 27 and ranked in the top 25.

You're right, I should have clarified. In 2009, OSU finished with a 34 - 24 record. In 2010, they finished with a 29 - 26 record. Now they are bouncing back. They have great tradition and even the best can suffer as we are now.

But we all need to accept the fact the days of old are long gone and the Shox are entering a different and more challenging era in college baseball. More competition, more parity and less available talent means more up and down years to come for Shocker baseball.

This ain't all on Gene and staff.

We have arguably the finest overall collegiate baseball facility in the country. We have (did have) one of the most loyal fan bases in the country. Heck, we out draw most programs regardless of weather. I don't care what league we play in; we should expect and demand more from this program and there are no excuses. I’m glad not everyone shares your 'defeatist attitude'. :(

Seriously? There are legitimate and valid excuses as to why the Shox are no longer a dominant baseball program. If you choose to put on blinders and ignore this, then that's your problem and you need to deal with it. Just because we have one of the nicer facilities in the nation and have a great fanbase doesn't equate to baseball success. IMO, if all things being equal and the trump card is our fanbase and facilities then a recruit will go with us. But that is far as it goes.

I'm not ruling out that the baseball Shox will never be relevant again in college baseball, but we all need to accept that we no longer will be Top 35 year-in and year-out. Following the Shox from now on is going to be a roller coaster ride, a lot of ups and downs.

What did the Shox do in terms of recruiting following their back-to-back super regional appearances? We sure didn't parlay this success into recruiting the level of talent it takes to maintain this level of play did we?

However, the question is: Was this because of a legit "roller coaster ride" or because of who's in the dugout running the show.

KC, I somewhat agree with your Top 35 comments. However, if that were the only problem, you'd have many fewer posters complaining. The Valley has declined as a baseball conference, yet WSU has declined more rapidly within the conference. Thoughts?