Expectations for our Baseball team!

[WuDrWu]

NCAA Tournament 7 out of 8 seasons.

Super Regional minimum 2 of those 7.

Host a regional once every 4 years. No graduating seniors should have to go their entire career without the chance to win at home.

MVC Regular season champs minimum 3 of 4 seasons.

At this point, I have no expectations of the CWS. We would have to get lucky AND have a talent base we haven't seen for almost longer than I can remember at this point. It certainly can be done, but it starts with hosting a regional.

I am not going to sit here and say our kids are over or under performing, but it seems abundantly clear our coaching staff, for whatever reason, has severely under-performed for most if not all of the last 11 seasons, at least.

[Shirley Schmidt]

The automatic bid as the rep from the Valley should be the bare mininum every year that we should expect.

We are talking about the Missouri Valley here, the 15th or 16th ranked conference in the country.

Anything short of that is a huge failure.

Super Regional qualifier at least three out of five years with CWS at the same pace.

If Gene and his bunch cannot get it done anymore get someone in here that can.

[KC Shox]

Long Beach State also plays in a league with Cal St Fullerton and UC Irvine. We should dominate the Valley and at least get the auto bid 9/10 years.

Also, Long Beach schedules tough every year. It has not been uncommon to see a 20 + loss LBSU team to make a regional because they play tough teams. We don't schedule like they do and as mentioned before, the Valley stinks in baseball.

Aside from the fact that we are both small D1 programs with a good tradition in baseball, the similarities between us end.

[Shocker85]

I expect the Shox to make the NCAA tournament every year with a very occasional miss allowed about every 10 seasons.

They should win the MVC 80% of the time, could lose in the tournament 2 of 10 years but still have a strong enough resume' to make it as an at-large qualifier.

The Shox should HOST a regional at least 4-5 times per decade. AT LEAST.

Shox should win a regional about half the time, making it to the Supers.

The Shox should make it to Omaha at least 3 times per decade (3 SR wins).

These demands are not anywhere close to the standard they set from about 1988-2000. They are not unrealistic, either. U Texas success in baseball is about 1/2 of what I've written here. The facilities are worthy. The fan support is worthy. The performance on the field has been sorely lacking.

Quick, can anyone tell me the Shox last CWS appearance???

Nineteen frickin' ninety-six. That's right Shocker fans, it has been 15 goddam seasons.

It is time to stop living in the past. The glory days have ended. This program has lost its mojo.

--'85.

[Shirley Schmidt]

Nineteen frickin' ninety-six. That's right Shocker fans, it has been 15 goddam seasons.

It is time to stop living in the past. The glory days have ended. This program has lost its mojo.

BINGO, give the man a cigar he hit the nail right on the head!

He is exactly correct, it is time for a change Gene, Brent and J.T. need to retire or leave and the "Sooner" the better.

[GoShockers89]

We should be, at a bare minimum, in a regional every year. Missing once a decade or so is fine.

We should host a regional at least every four years.

We should make the CWS every 5-7 years.

We should not ever lose a series against the likes of indiana state, evansville, southern illinois, etc. who invest a pittance in their baseball programs. If their coaches can consistently beat us with subpar recruits, crap facilities, no fan support, and a salary under $100k, then we need to swap staffs and see what they can do with our resources behind them.

I am about as big a BK fan as you'll ever find. I feel the exact opposite about JT and believe he cannot lose his job quickly enough. Gene is losing ground quickly with me because of his allegiance to JT.

Assuming we miss a regional again this year, I will be a sh!tty 2012 season away from cancelling my season tickets until a new coach arrives.

[Shirley Schmidt]

I am about as big a BK fan as you'll ever find. I feel the exact opposite about JT and believe he cannot lose his job quickly enough. Gene is losing ground quickly with me because of his allegiance to JT.

I used to be a huge supporter of Kemnitz but I am have done a 180 and believe he is as much as a problem as the other two.

[ISASO]

Hello, Kevin Hooper. This is Eric Sexton calling...I have a mission for you, should you choose to accept it.

*Build an Regional at-large bid quality team and schedule every year.
*Win the regular season or conference tournament title every season.
*Host a Regional once every three seasons
*Advance to a Super Regional once every three seasons(77% of host teams win)
*Advance to the CWS at least once every six seasons.

What say you, Kev?

[fuball7]

Hello, Kevin Hooper. This is Eric Sexton calling...I have a mission for you, should you choose to accept it.

*Build an Regional at-large bid quality team and schedule every year.
*Win the regular season or conference tournament title every season.
*Host a Regional once every three seasons
*Advance to a Super Regional once every three seasons(77% of host teams win)
*Advance to the CWS at least once every six seasons.

What say you, Kev?

i wouldnt look past the job being stanifords either. always has the wichita connections now hes recruiting better and better at tabor.

[SB Shock]

I am about as big a BK fan as you'll ever find. I feel the exact opposite about JT and believe he cannot lose his job quickly enough. Gene is losing ground quickly with me because of his allegiance to JT.

I used to be a huge supporter of Kemnitz but I am have done a 180 and believe he is as much as a problem as the other two.

I don't think he ever left ou.

[shoxlax]

I am about as big a BK fan as you'll ever find. I feel the exact opposite about JT and believe he cannot lose his job quickly enough. Gene is losing ground quickly with me because of his allegiance to JT.

I used to be a huge supporter of Kemnitz but I am have done a 180 and believe he is as much as a problem as the other two.

I'm starting to move to that camp as well. For a team that prides itself on taking care of our pitchers, we sure seem to have a lot of injuries both during and after college.

Maybe every program has this many and I just don't notice it.

[SPEShockAlum]

Hooper's name has been thrown out there by a few on here, as well as Staniford's. What about other former players (perhaps those with some success in the league) who could step into that role? I couldn't help but think about that last night when I was staring at Darin Erstad (he even has WSU ties) in the 1st Base Coach's box - he is a volunteer assistant for NU and probably not hurting financially after a nice career. He and Osborne have a relationship from his football days at NU and his northern ties are well-suited for recruiting for a team that will soon compete in the Big 10. Of course, he can only (legally) recruit if the volunteer title is shed, which I can only imagine is part of the plan as TO has alluded to the fact that Mike Anderson is living on borrowed time.

This succession planning has more uncertainty than that of Berkshire Hathaway - it's driving me nuts.

[Shocker85]

Hello, Kevin Hooper. This is Eric Sexton calling...I have a mission for you, should you choose to accept it.

*Build an Regional at-large bid quality team and schedule every year.
*Win the regular season or conference tournament title every season.
*Host a Regional once every three seasons
*Advance to a Super Regional once every three seasons(77% of host teams win)
*Advance to the CWS at least once every six seasons.

What say you, Kev?

i wouldnt look past the job being stanifords either. always has the wichita connections now hes recruiting better and better at tabor.

Throw Loren Hibbs into the mix as well.

- Significant D-1 experience.
- Built UNCC from near nothing to respectibility.
- Knows how to hit and teach hitting.
- Great track record with pitchers.
- SE US recruiting ties.

Scooter could be successful at WSU.

--'85.

[shox1989]

It really needs multiple layers of answers. I expect us to make regionals at least every other year, Super regionals every 3 to 5 years and I still expect us to get to Omaha at least once every 7 to 10 years.

I know with all of the money that many of the BCS schools are pouring into baseball these days it is going to get harder and harder but I still think we can do it.

Really? Regionals only "at least every other year"?

I'd say we should be 14 out of 15 years.

Agreed.

When you have the peppiest and most positive of fans only expecting regionals "at least every other year", then you really know how bad it has become.

When our basketball team has only made a regional once since 1990, I just think it is a little unrealistic to expect our baseball team to make a regional every year.

I might have said 2 out of every 3 years or 4 out of every 5 years but they were not options.

The point I think you are missing is WSU level of investment and support in the baseball program >> exceeds any of the MVC schools (MVC really doesn't even try anymore), but that return on the investment is no longer paying dividends.

We have also won or tied for the Valley championship every year except two since 1987.

Prior to 1987, Gene's first 9 years, we only won it 5 times and failed 4 times.

The problem is that winning the Valley just doesn't mean much any more (in baseball or basketball).

[GoShockers89]

It really needs multiple layers of answers. I expect us to make regionals at least every other year, Super regionals every 3 to 5 years and I still expect us to get to Omaha at least once every 7 to 10 years.

I know with all of the money that many of the BCS schools are pouring into baseball these days it is going to get harder and harder but I still think we can do it.

Really? Regionals only "at least every other year"?

I'd say we should be 14 out of 15 years.

Agreed.

When you have the peppiest and most positive of fans only expecting regionals "at least every other year", then you really know how bad it has become.

When our basketball team has only made a regional once since 1990, I just think it is a little unrealistic to expect our baseball team to make a regional every year.

I might have said 2 out of every 3 years or 4 out of every 5 years but they were not options.

The point I think you are missing is WSU level of investment and support in the baseball program >> exceeds any of the MVC schools (MVC really doesn't even try anymore), but that return on the investment is no longer paying dividends.

We have also won or tied for the Valley championship every year except two since 1987.

Prior to 1987, Gene's first 10 years, we only won it 6 times and failed 4 times.

The problem is that winning the Valley just doesn't mean much any more (in baseball or basketball).

So don't try to win it then?

I may be misunderstanding you, but it seems like all of your recent defense of the coaching staff focuses on the fact that it's just too dadgum hard to compete at a high level any more and that we should accept the program's direction as inevitable.

I cannot stress how much I despise that mindset.