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    From June 1014: Former North Carolina star Rashad McCants told Steve Delsohn of "Outside the Lines" that he could have been academically ineligible to play during the '04-05 national title season had he not been provided fraudulent academic assistance.

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    are we surprised?

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    • #3
      Can you imagine how quick and fierce the NCAA would come down if this was WSU/VCU/UNLV/Butler etc.?

      This UNC stuff makes Cal's violations at UMass and Memphis look like nothing. Shows how stupid it is that some seasons are wiped off the slate completely while UNC's 2005 title remains in tact.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Play Angry View Post
        This UNC stuff makes Cal's violations at UMass and Memphis look like nothing. Shows how stupid it is that some seasons are wiped off the slate completely while UNC's 2005 title remains in tact.
        You don't think Roy's cozy relationship with the NCAA while at Kansas has anything to do with this right? ;)
        "Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should accomplish with your ability."
        -John Wooden

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        • #5
          Okay it looks bad.

          And if Roy burns over it, I might start thinking about pressing the panic button.

          He wouldn't get let go for something like this would he?

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          • #6
            Lord I hope not
            People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do. -Isaac Asimov

            Originally posted by C0|dB|00ded
            Who else posts fake **** all day in order to maintain the acrimony? Wingnuts, that's who.

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            • #7
              If systemic academic fraud, rampant for many years, to the extent of winning championships by being able to play guys that would otherwise be academically ineligible doesn't deserve the death penalty, then what does?
              Kung Wu say, man who read woman like book, prefer braille!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Kung Wu View Post
                If systemic academic fraud, rampant for many years, to the extent of winning championships by being able to play guys that would otherwise be academically ineligible doesn't deserve the death penalty, then what does?
                A midmajor winning a title.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Kung Wu View Post
                  If systemic academic fraud, rampant for many years, to the extent of winning championships by being able to play guys that would otherwise be academically ineligible doesn't deserve the death penalty, then what does?
                  The question is, was it really fraud in the eyes of the NCAA? The issue here isn't grades or even undeserved grades. The issue is the courses themselves, of which the NCAA really has no jurisdiction over. Now, could it mean that a UNC degree loses it's prestige, or that the school loses accreditation over it? Possibly, but I doubt it.

                  Roy won't be held accountable for putting players in classes that the university apparently had no problem offering.

                  The part about tutors writing term papers could be problematic if it can be proven.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by RoyalShock View Post
                    The part about tutors writing term papers could be problematic if it can be proven.
                    This is the primary concern. Since a tutor was a whistleblower, that's what gave it credibility. Tutors writing term papers is academic fraud. Especially since it was claimed that their entire grade was based on that one paper.
                    Kung Wu say, man who read woman like book, prefer braille!

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                    • #11
                      While there are differences, this isn't too far off from what earned Jim Harrick his show-cause and the resulting probation at Georgia.

                      In fact, this is arguably much, much worse since it appears systemic.

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                      • #12
                        I'd like to assume that this isn't par for the course at the big basketball factory schools but I wouldn't be surprised. On the other hand, the fact that KU was charged with questionable academic practices under Mangino suggests that you don't have to be successful to be suspect.
                        The fact that man is master of his actions is due to his being able to deliberate about them.-- Thomas Aquinas

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by tgcshock View Post
                          I'd like to assume that this isn't par for the course at the big basketball factory schools but I wouldn't be surprised. On the other hand, the fact that KU was charged with questionable academic practices under Mangino suggests that you don't have to be successful to be suspect.
                          Kansas does not equate big time football. Kansas equates big time basketball. The NCAA could and would harshly penalize Kansas football. The NCAA avoids any punishment that Kansas basketball may deserve.

                          This is why UNC has no worries, but their football team better keep it clean.
                          There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, and everything else is cream cheese.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by MoValley John View Post
                            Kansas does not equate big time football. Kansas equates big time basketball. The NCAA could and would harshly penalize Kansas football. The NCAA avoids any punishment that Kansas basketball may deserve.

                            This is why UNC has no worries, but their football team better keep it clean.
                            Agreed. (Thus the statement that Mangino the FOOTBALL coach was NOT successful. My only point was that cheating can occur whether you are a big-time program, like UNC basketball, or not, like KU football). Clearly, however, harsh NCAA punishment tends to occur only at the non big time programs. No argument about that.
                            The fact that man is master of his actions is due to his being able to deliberate about them.-- Thomas Aquinas

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                            • #15
                              McCants doubles down

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