Another Missed Officials Call?

[calfan]

Iowa State fans are upset about a missed call in the KU game last night
that they thought cost them a win.

Here is a quote from ESPN:
The final minute of regulation of Kansas' 108-96 overtime victory over Iowa State on Monday is under review by the Big 12 Conference, the conference's coordinator of officials told ESPN.com Monday night.

At issue was a block or charge call that wasn't made when Elijah Johnson drove inside as Kansas trailed 90-88 with five seconds remaining. Iowa State's Georges Niang appeared to have his feet set, but no call was made as Johnson made contact with Niang.


Here is a link to the article: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...officials-says

[SubGod22]

First, you see a lot of block/charge calls go uncalled. It can be very frustrating. And you almost never see it called at the end of the game. Right or wrong. Second, I have no problem with the hold that was called. He had his arm hooked as he tried to pass the ball back out.

[Shocker85]

It was a horrible non-call. Period. There was enough contact that either a block or charge should have been called. Furthermore, it was clearly a charge. Iowa State got jobbed.

KU also got the benefit of Jeff Withey being called for 6 fouls. The 5th was clearly a foul on Withey in the open court, but Kevin Johnson raised his hand and the officials gave the foul to Johnson.

IMO, if replay is going to be used at all, calls like the Withey foul should be reviewable. Not outside a reasonable rule to overrule the call on the court based upon clear and conclusive evidence that a call can be corrected. Goal tending calls should be reviewable as well.

[SubGod22]

I didn't watch the game so I don't know the play you're talking about. Is it possible that both could have been called for a foul? Maybe one seemed worse than the other, but that doesn't mean that's the one that gets called.

And I'm not saying it wasn't a charge. I'm just saying that at the college level, right or wrong, that's almost never called at the end of the game. I wouldn't say ISU was jobbed because of it. It's not like it's a call that is always called but wasn't this time because it was KU. I do think those calls which are obvious need to be made at the end of games, but we all know that they aren't in most cases.

[Shocker85]

I didn't watch the game so I don't know the play you're talking about. Is it possible that both could have been called for a foul? Maybe one seemed worse than the other, but that doesn't mean that's the one that gets called.

And I'm not saying it wasn't a charge. I'm just saying that at the college level, right or wrong, that's almost never called at the end of the game. I wouldn't say ISU was jobbed because of it. It's not like it's a call that is always called but wasn't this time because it was KU. I do think those calls which are obvious need to be made at the end of games, but we all know that they aren't in most cases.

The thing was, it was OBVIOUSLY a charge and the contact was such that both players went to the floor and it occurred outside the block/charge arc. That much contact demands a call, no matter when it happens in the game. I'll agree that it probably was a call that often doesn't get made in college games and KU being involved wasn't a factor (we gotta believe that, right?). It was so bad, I even got a call from a KU die-hard friend after the game who was in disbelief that the refs didn't call the charge.

Fran Frischella said it well during the broadcast, stating that the officials need to call the entire game and not suspend the rules in the last 2 minutes. Of course, he is a former coach, so you would expect that reaction.

[SubGod22]

The thing was, it was OBVIOUSLY a charge and the contact was such that both players went to the floor and it occurred outside the block/charge arc. That much contact demands a call, no matter when it happens in the game. I'll agree that it probably was a call that often doesn't get made in college games and KU being involved wasn't a factor (we gotta believe that, right?). It was so bad, I even got a call from a KU die-hard friend after the game who was in disbelief that the refs didn't call the charge.

Fran Frischella said it well during the broadcast, stating that the officials need to call the entire game and not suspend the rules in the last 2 minutes. Of course, he is a former coach, so you would expect that reaction.

I wish games were called like that.

[Kung Wu]

Click on the link and jump to the 1 minute mark. This is the 9th sequel to the Jake White Horror Story, but with a different actor.

[wu_shizzle]

I watched the game. Iowa State had plenty of calls go their way during the first 3/4 of the game, so the calls at the end just evened some things up.

For all of Fran's insistence that 50/50 calls be made at the end of games, we know the downside of that, and the "point of emphasis" from the leagues.

It was a tough game. Iowa State shot lights out, but Elijah Johnson was unstoppable.

[shockmonster]

The thing was, it was OBVIOUSLY a charge and the contact was such that both players went to the floor and it occurred outside the block/charge arc. That much contact demands a call, no matter when it happens in the game.

Fran Frischella said it well during the broadcast, stating that the officials need to call the entire game and not suspend the rules in the last 2 minutes. Of course, he is a former coach, so you would expect that reaction.

I agree that was an obvious missed no call and a mistake. I didn't remember Frischella going going as far as you stated though (call the entire game..........not suspend last 2min.). My memory was that he stated that there was too much contact on that play not to make the obvious call. My take on the difference is that at that point of the game
you don't make a 50/50 call. Earlier you might to maintain control.

[1979Shocker]

I don't have any problem if they let the players play in the last 2 minutes. The only problem I had is giving a foul to the wrong player earlier in the game. That's sometime that can have been fixed with a review of the replay (and has in other games).

[pinstripers]

Obvious call, far more contact than the Carl Hall-Jackie Chan deal. Wiffy should fouled out on the over the back thing at about 2 minutes, let alone the intentional where they gave it to the wrong guy. Back to the charge, though, it should have been called and it wasn't. If they call it, ISU wins.

[pinstripers]

Deciding the outcome by blowing the whistle is no greater sin than deciding the outcome by swallowing the whistle.

[ShockBand]

On the Withey/Johnson one, I think Withey clearly fouled the ISU player not only harder, but first, so they missed that one pretty badly.

[Shocker85]

On the Withey/Johnson one, I think Withey clearly fouled the ISU player not only harder, but first, so they missed that one pretty badly.

Give each coach a challenge flag for 1 or 2 calls per game, even on judgement calls. If they have a challenge left, go to the replay and get the call right. The justification for replay is always "We want to make the right call", so allow that to happen.

[Veritas]

Here's a link with the play towards the end of the game.
Note: After the game and during the interview, Self finishes speaking and as they are interviewing Johnson, you'll hear the crowd start loudly booing.
Apparently, after the game, an ISU fan went after Bill Self and had to be restrained by a cop.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=330560066

More info on the ISU fan from Phognet:

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172&f=2481&t=11320479