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  • #16
    Originally posted by 1979Shocker
    I agree with all that you said except for a couple of things. One being the "one way to heaven". I'm not saying there's more than one way. I'm saying we don't go to heaven. Instead, heaven comes to us.
    My reference was meant to address those who believe there a separate or other paths but still think they are christian.

    The other point is that it takes more than belief to be a Christian. Even the demons believe that Jesus is God and that he went to the cross, died, and rose after the third day.
    I agree, acknowledging the existence of God doesn't mean your saved. We must have faith (a trusted relationship, a reliance on the Lord). With this relationship, there will be a change in as we are filled with the holy spirit and God does a work in our life.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Maggie
      Originally posted by BenWSU
      Originally posted by Maggie
      What the man does is what matters not his faith.
      Does = Giving a speech 2 weeks ago in support of a mosque near World Trade Center.
      Yeah....and.......what does that have to do with his faith? I don’t presume to know what is in the man’s heart – that is between him and the Creator.
      We are not to judge hypocritically, but scripture tell believers to evaluate (discern) carefully and choose between good and bad people.

      1 THES 5:21 But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good; 22 abstain from every form of evil.

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      • #18
        It's easy to discern that Obama acts like a Muslim, or at least has more sympathetic feelings towards them, than he does Christians. I bet he's been to more Islam-related events during his presidency than he has been to Christian church services.

        And no, having a session with a "religious advisor" doesn't really count. If you can't call the person a pastor or priest, it doesn't count. In fact, it feels like if we knew the truth we could call him a liar about his religion too.

        President Game-Changer, Mr. Transparency, Let's Be Clear: Say what you are and who you are. Be proud of it. Be Muslim, it shouldn't matter.

        Stop voting 'present' on your own religion.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by ISASO
          From White House spokesman Bill Burton: The President is obviously a Christian. He prays every day.

          Are Christians the only ones who pray? Mr. Burton, what does that statement really prove?
          If Rove said that about Bush, I assure you that answer would suffice for you. But since it is Obama.......Let's Burn him at the Stake......I want to see some of that "Fair and Balanced" stuff you guys preach about.

          And please, Don't respond by questioning my Faith, because it is very, very strong.
          The mountains are calling, and I must go.

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          • #20
            You are wrong. I would suspect Rove was drunk if he minced words like that in regards to George Bush. There was no reason to be so evasive and deceitful with Bush. We knew where he stood. He had a track record with his Christianity, which followed his family's track record.

            What is Obama's track record? As a Muslim, as a Black Liberation Theologist, as a Christian (in that order)? How has he undeniably and openly demonstrated his religion since he ditched Rev. Wright? Are the words of his spokesmen the only evidence we have? Are hurried, defensively-worded press releases the record of his faith?

            It's a complicated job in a complicated world. Can't one thing be simple?

            Mrs. Obama, we know you weren't proud of your country until your husband was voted into office. Why can't you be proud of your religion now? Washington DC is a big place and very diverse. Be proud of your religion. Pick a church, synagogue or mosque and go there. Don't hide your light under a bushel basket. Let it shine, let it shine, let it shine!

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            • #21
              Yeah, Bush was clear early on about his faith. He regularly attended church in the public eye. There was no question about it.

              IIRC, his spiritual advisors were referred to as pastors.

              Although right after 9/11 he was the first to say how Islam was a religion of peace. Of course, he (or whoever was president at the time) could not have realistically said anything else.

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